@Allen:
"What I think you are missing is Ohio has a different approach to net metering."
The Ohio revised code covering net metering is inserted below. It is complicated by other rulings made by the PUCO that are contained in the Ohio Administrative Code. What I have seen is that the net metering calculation is not applied the same across all public utilities. Some seem to abide by the original ORC where all energy usage is net metered as kWh units that either reduce the per kWh charges or carry forward as a kWh credit on the bill. Other utilities convert the kWh credit to a dollar credit that is based on the Standard Service Offer (cost per kWh) of the utility at the time. To further complicate things, commercial, institutional, and industrial customers are often on rate plans that include demand charges and reactive power charges. As I said before, if you send me a copy of the Church's electric bill, I can verify if CEI is obeying the law or if there is some mistake going on. It would be most helpful to see at least two consecutive bills, that would show a net export carried forward to the next month, but if they do not have net export, then just sending a few bills that show some export is ok. It will also tell me what rate they were assigned and whether there are demand charges on the bill as well as energy charges.
4928.67
(A)(1) Except as provided in division (A)(2) of this section, an electric utility shall develop a standard contract or tariff providing for net metering.
That contract or tariff shall be identical in rate structure, all retail rate components, and any monthly charges to the contract or tariff to which the same customer would be assigned if that customer were not a customer-generator.
(2) An electric utility shall also develop a separate standard contract or tariff providing for net metering for a hospital, as defined in section 3701.01 of the Revised Code, that is also a customer-generator, subject to all of the following:
(a) No limitation, including that in divisions (A)(31)(a) and (d) of section 4928.01 of the Revised Code, shall apply regarding the availability of the contract or tariff to such hospital customer-generators.
(b) The contract or tariff shall be based both upon the rate structure, rate components, and any charges to which the hospital would otherwise be assigned if the hospital were not a customer-generator and upon the market value of the customer-generated electricity at the time it is generated.
(c) The contract or tariff shall allow the hospital customer-generator to operate its electric generating facilities individually or collectively without any wattage limitation on size.
(B)(1) Net metering under this section shall be accomplished using a single meter capable of registering the flow of electricity in each direction. If its existing electrical meter is not capable of measuring the flow of electricity in two directions, the customer-generator shall be responsible for all expenses involved in purchasing and installing a meter that is capable of measuring electricity flow in two directions.
(2) The electric utility, at its own expense and with the written consent of the customer-generator, may install one or more additional meters to monitor the flow of electricity in each direction.
(3) Consistent with the other provisions of this section, the measurement of net electricity supplied or generated shall be calculated in the following manner:
(a) The electric utility shall measure the net electricity produced or consumed during the billing period, in accordance with normal metering practices.
(b) If the electricity supplied by the electric utility exceeds the electricity generated by the customer-generator and fed back to the utility during the billing period, the customer-generator shall be billed for the net electricity supplied by the utility, in accordance with normal metering practices. If electricity is provided to the utility, the credits for that electricity shall appear in the next billing cycle.
(4) A net metering system used by a customer-generator shall meet all applicable safety and performance standards established by the national electrical code, the institute of electrical and electronics engineers, and underwriters laboratories.
(C) The public utilities commission shall adopt rules relating to additional control and testing requirements for customer-generators that the commission determines are necessary to protect public and worker safety and system reliability.
(D) An electric utility shall not require a customer-generator whose net metering system meets the standards and requirements provided for in divisions (B)(4) and (C) of this section to do any of the following:
(1) Comply with additional safety or performance standards;
(2) Perform or pay for additional tests;
(3) Purchase additional liability insurance.
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Ken Nadsady
AviSun Renewable Energy
Hudson OH
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Original Message:
Sent: 06-14-2024 06:30 AM
From: Allen Wilkinson
Subject: best deal for PV energy going to the grid in northeast ohio ?
What I think you are missing is Ohio has a different approach to net metering. On 6/13/24 18:11, Dennis Garde via American Solar Energy Society Inc wrote:
0100019013a83cb7-f71be72d-a730-4b69-825b-d4595e991199-000000@email.amazonses.com"> Colleagues,I am perplexed with the concern regarding disparity between the cost and credit of kWh when your facility is consuming more than your... -posted to the "Everything Solar Forum" community
Original Message:
Sent: 6/13/2024 6:10:00 PM
From: Dennis Garde
Subject: RE: best deal for PV energy going to the grid in northeast ohio ?
Colleagues,
I am perplexed with the concern regarding disparity between the cost and credit of kWh when your facility is consuming more than your PV System is producing. My understanding of Net Metering may be antiquated so please correct me if I am wrong. The reality is the kWh produced are deducted from the kWh consumed. The meter only sees the difference against which charges the utility rate. The Illinois utility Ameron makes this calculation once per billing cycle so the overproduction issue is never a factor. What am I missing?
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Original Message:
Sent: 6/12/2024 2:31:00 PM
From: E. Thomas Henkel
Subject: RE: best deal for PV energy going to the grid in northeast ohio ?
Allen: We will be activating a 54kW(DC) solar PV system tomorrow for my church here in Chapel Hill, NC. It will also be net-metered, and the utility (Duke Energy) credit for any kWhs sent to the grid is about $0.02/kWh when we pay close to $0.10/kWh. Fortunately, our building electrical load is always greater than our PV system output. I doubt if you will find any 3rd party provider who will pay one-for-one for extra solar energy. Thus, I suggest that you consider installing batteries and stay independent of the grid.
Tom Henkel, 919-593-5510
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E. Thomas Henkel
President, Sustainable Energy Consulting
Self Employed
Chapel Hill NC
Original Message:
Sent: 06-11-2024 06:08 AM
From: Allen Wilkinson
Subject: best deal for PV energy going to the grid in northeast ohio ?
I am helping my church get going with a newly online rooftop PV array.
We are CEI First Energy customers and get third party electricity from an apples-to-apples provider, who does not credit anything for solar power supplied to the grid.
Are there any third party electricity providers that do give credit back for kWh's put on the grid by customers?
FYI, we are getting $0.01/kWh from CEI under credited distribution charges for kWh's we are putting on the grid. The net meter tracks short duration periods (maybe down to the second) of power surplus over what the building is using. So even if on a day basis we produce no net energy beyond what the building needs, we have short duration periods when we do produce more than we are consuming. So the economic benefit is far below the projection done by the PV system seller.
Thanks for any feedback.
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