Ken, of course it is all Human Caused ! Humans control the climate to an extent, no one is denying these facts nevertheless this information is out there all human caused as well. Just covering the earth in solar cells might not solve all our human made climate crisis problems as well ? All needs addressed just running off putting your head into the sand with a solar cell as a hat isn't going to solve anything. These questions are still being brought up by peoples in lands far from America actually some places way less informational fluent yet where a lot of these pollutions are occuring so yes they all have to be answered especially the points they are using for justification, and as you say " debunked by real climate experts, of which remember are humans too. " This seesawing back and forth in conversation between ideas, no confusion, no doubt, - Anyhow however is how the truth finds its way to the top of the pile. Just to debunk a thing is one thing, but actually getting people to change their ways of living, " Lifestyles " upon this Earth, towards a grander equilibrium rapport with our planet is another thing altogether. We have way deeper environmental problems that suggest we must take a good long hard look at how we mine, manufactor, and recycle things, grow our food, transport ourselves, and goods, and most importantly how we create our homes, and communities , of course without alienating our counterpart fellows that may see things differently. However, Hopefully, yet by creating examples that showcases a better way using the sun's energy for everything instead, there is this future that we all just want to accomplish.
Climate change refers to long-term shifts in temperatures and weather patterns. Such shifts can be natural, due to changes in the sun’s activity or large volcanic eruptions. But since the 1800s, primarily due to the burning of fossil fuels like coal, oil and gas. Burning fossil fuels generates greenhouse gas emissions that act like a blanket wrapped around the Earth, trapping the sun’s heat and raising temperatures. The main greenhouse gases that are causing climate change include carbon dioxide and methane. These come from using gasoline for driving a car or coal for heating a building, for example. Clearing land and cutting down forests can also release carbon dioxide. Agriculture, oil and gas operations are major sources of methane emissions. Energy, industry, transport, buildings, agriculture and land use are among the main sectors causing greenhouse gases.
Original Message:
Sent: 08-29-2023 10:41 AM
From: Ken Nadsady
Subject: Photosynthesis Removes Carbon Dioxide Update
I am not sure what to make of this post. Is it to confuse? Is it to create doubt? This is an "Everything Solar" Forum, isn't it? Can we not see it used as a sounding board to spread mistruths and propaganda about the Climate Crisis?
I recommend everyone reading any of the misleading material posted or referenced via links here please use peer-reviewed, reputable scientific sources when you see something that denies humaan-caused climate change. For example, the "Swindle" doumentary referenced above, was created in 2007, and has been debunked by real climate experts. Please see https://www.filmsforaction.org/watch/the-great-global-warming-swindle-debunked/
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Ken Nadsady
AviSun Renewable Energy
Hudson OH
Original Message:
Sent: 08-27-2023 12:30 PM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Photosynthesis Removes Carbon Dioxide Update
In response to this question-
Deep - " CO2 is making Earth greener-for now ? "
A quarter to half of Earth's vegetated lands has shown significant greening over the last 35 years largely due to rising levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide, according to a new study (Ref 1) published in the journal Nature Climate Change on April 25.
(Ref 1): Greening of the Earth and its drivers - Nature Climate Change
An international team of 32 authors from 24 institutions in eight countries led the effort, which involved using satellite data from NASA's Moderate Resolution Imaging Spectrometer and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's Advanced Very High Resolution Radiometer instruments to help determine the leaf area index, or amount of leaf cover, over the planet's vegetated regions. The greening represents an increase in leaves on plants and trees equivalent in area to two times the continental United States.
Sol - " Yes just reading over your material here. It is so true about the rapid growth of the, " Vegetated Lands " as we also ran those calculations some time back and saw this very trend within nature especially in areas far from human habitation that, hasn't reached like remote jungles, Islands, forest and grasslands of the planet as well the oceans. The satellite data supports this hypothesis as you have stated also. The, " For Now! " as you noted is the unknown future and also the ground on which change happens as nature dictates towards the very survival of our multifaceted tiny ribbon of life towards adaptation and evolution over time as the whole human family on earth endeavoring to persevere. "
" Rising levels of CO2 in the atmosphere drive an increase in plant photosynthesis-an effect known as the carbon fertilization effect. New research has found that between 1982 and 2020, global plant photosynthesis grew 12 percent, tracking CO2 levels in the atmosphere as they rose 17 percent. The vast majority of this increase in photosynthesis was due to carbon dioxide fertilization. "
How Climate Change Affects Plant Life
Deep- " Two prominent climate scientists have taken on the Environmental Protection Agency's (EPA) new rules to cut CO2 emissions in electricity generation, arguing in testimony that the regulations "will be disastrous for the country, for no scientifically justifiable reason."
Climate 'Hoax'
Sol- " People in government, especially politicians shouldn't be allowed to make policy from fake news, and faulty data. In many cases even before all the evidence for, or against actions. All should be presented before the jury ( The People ) So each human can decide action in these matters as to how they may choose to live upon this planet with good conscience and the well being of offsprings, and environment for many generations if not for all times future. But nevertheless cities do create micro -bubbles of pollution that hangs over like smog clouds that should be addressed for instance like the ones on this list.
Most Polluted Cities On Earth
In America we have Los Angeles for instance, and imagine that is the place where Hollywood has projected from. Los Angeles has the most contaminated air in the country. With a population of roughly over 10 million, and many within these areas believe they have the right to make policy for the rest of the country. Logic dictates they should clean up their own act first before attempting environmental policy for the region, or country. "
Deep - " Demographia World Urban Areas and Population Projections accounts for more than 50% of world urbanization and includes all identified urban areas with 500,000 population or more. These urban areas cover only 0.3% of the world's land area. "
Land covered with cities
Comment: " The problem of pollution is predominantly on the urban lands which is only 0.3% of the world's land area. This might help us to analyze the extent of the effect of urban pollution on the entire world. "
Sol - " Yah, but isn't that the way it has always been, as one has to decipher thru all the crap to find the truth in anything especially if it is connected with making money, greed, exploits, and profits that seem to take precedence over the natural world we originally inherited. One man sees signs of beauty in nature while another only sees the dollar signs, Yet it is the same nature beautiful in it's own way. Yes humans have a way of manipulating nature and natural forces for sure I mean take for instance the atomic bomb when it was conceived the people involved really didn't know if it would burn away the whole of the atmosphere in an uncontrolled nuclear chain reaction, but yet they set the thing off. That tells you something about the human psychic, and the willingness to test a thing to the very extremes if for a common cause. This climate thing is the same kind of bomb if we get this thing wrong a lot is at stake, so we must weigh everything, do the math, do the research, test, model, experiment , everything until we get this right. But instead yes we get a lot of naysayers, fearmongering, and doomsday prophets, and folks that are just trying to profit from this and turn it into a business. "
Sol - " Yes according to Gaia Hypothesis if the human species gets to far out of line with life on this planet as a whole then yes she might warm things up, or cool this off enough to make it hard for us, as she has done before in the past, but if we collectively are wise to her systems we can strike that balance and live in harmony with our planet millions if not billions of more years into the future, even creating Genesis on many other Moons and Planets in the process as we transform this super metaphysical spirit beyond our own seed planet. Yet as you know it isn't about all that completely, it is also about how we choose to live upon this planet's longevity regardless, using the Sun's energy will be a much better way than digging our planet apart for the same. The earth has so much water the ultimate regulator, that she will always balance out at the average temperature range somewhere between the boiling and freezing points of water usually 47- 85 degrees Fahrenheit- the temperature swings daily, of the spring and fall seasons."
Sol - " Geoengineering sounds like a quick climate fix, but without more research and guardrails, it's a costly gamble − with potentially harmful results. Yes the branches of Military seem to have a blank check for all kinds of black projects of course weather has been weaponized then you have these cell towers going up all over, so that kids can veg away hooked up to the new meta matrix pretty scary stuff out there right now for sure. But at the same time what an opportunity as the pendulum does swing both ways and the people are pushing back against these monstrosities being perpetrated against the good earth and her peoples. "
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Timothy Mcbride
CEO/Owner
Sol-Era R & D
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