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  • 1.  Resale of home

    Posted 06-21-2023 05:25 AM

    My realtor has stated several times that solar panels are a negative when selling your home. Has anyone found this to be true? 



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    Danny Yates
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  • 2.  RE: Resale of home

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    Contributor
    Posted 06-22-2023 09:18 AM
    Edited by william fitch 06-22-2023 09:18 AM

    I think it depends on two things. The buyer and the location. SO it could go either way....

    Its like having a pond. Some like it for the water and some don't like it because it means more bugs.



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    william fitch
    Owner
    www.WeAreSolar.com
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  • 3.  RE: Resale of home

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    Contributor
    Posted 06-22-2023 09:50 AM
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    Hi Danny,

    Thank you for posting on the Online Community. @Dara Bortman, one of our amazing ASES Board Members, is in charge of the Real Estate Taskforce. Dara, do you have insight on Danny's question? 

    In the meantime, ASES has a few resources on this topic if you're interested in taking a look:

    ASES Solar Real Estate Value Quick Video

    ASES Webinar on Solar Valuation

    I have also attached our infographic on how homeowners, real estate agents, appraisers, and lenders can work together to make the value of energy-efficient and solar homes – high–performing homes – visible in the real estate market.

    Thank you!
    Ella



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    Ella Nielsen
    Membership & Engagement Manager
    American Solar Energy Society
    Boulder CO
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  • 4.  RE: Resale of home

    ASES Life Member
    Posted 06-22-2023 11:10 AM

    Hi Danny - I'm happy to chat with you.  Send me an email at daramarkb@gmail.com and we can connect offline if you like.  It does depend on where you are (community perceptions and comfort with solar) and how knowledgeable your real estate agent is.  It also depends on whether you OWN or LEASE the system.  Leased systems do not increase home value and can create complications with home sales.  Owned systems should add value to the home - basically reducing the operating costs of the home compared to its neighbors.

    The SELLER'S AGENT is the key to ensuring that increased value is recognized for home with solar energy systems.  If your realtor is already saying that solar is a negative (and you have solar panels on your home), then I'd say you need a new real estate agent.  The seller's agent is responsible for completing the MLS correctly and ensuring all energy efficiency and solar fields are completed correctly.  The agent also should be knowledgeable enough to know what questions to ask to ensure the sale is as successful as possible and is responsible for ensuring the appraiser and home inspector that comes to the home are trained and knowledgeable about solar and energy efficiency features. Solar should add value - but it doesn't always.  There are definitely steps you can take to ensure it does in your case.   Contact me offline if you want to talk further.



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    Dara Bortman
    Sustainable Solar Systems
    Philadelphia PA
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  • 5.  RE: Resale of home

    ASES Award Winner
    Posted 06-23-2023 10:26 AM

    Hello all, Two years ago we had our home appraised for refinancing. At that time appraisers were three months out. We did not have any choice of who. The appraiser we got explained to us, he was legally and by rules of the appraising industry, he was not allowed to give us a nickel for our 5 kw PV System.  Passive solar was not mentioned in the appraisal . This is Santa Fe, we have the sun .  As we were not selling, we just took what he gave us and moved on with the refinancing. The industry, policy makers are 20 years behind. 
    So what lets do it anyway as it makes sense and cents. No regrets.



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    Mark Chalom
    Builder/Architect/ Educator
    Solar Design & Analysis
    Santa Fe NM
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  • 6.  RE: Resale of home

    ASES Life Member
    Posted 06-23-2023 11:58 AM

    Hi Mark 

    That is very disappointing to hear.  And the appraiser was incorrect.  I don't love this article (https://appraisalbuzz.com/how-appraisers-should-value-solar-paneling/) but you can see that there is a form from the Appraisal Institute that shows details of the solar and other energy efficiency features that an appraiser can and should take into account, courses offered by the Appraisal Institute,  and a tool (PVValue) to use to value the system.  Unfortunately, you can see in the comments for the article the very disappointing responses from appraisers, many of whom have a very negative perception of solar because of lack of education about the difference between leases vs purchased systems and how the systems work, inconsistent information about how to calculate savings, and complicated rate structures from utilities across the country that complicate matters.  As an industry, we have a lot of work to do to educate all the peripheral professionals (real estate agents, appraisers, home inspectors, mortgage brokers, architects, contractors, etc)  that are now encountering solar in their work.  It's a self-fulfilling cycle - if they don't know how to value solar and even have a negative perception of it, it doesn't get consistently accurately valued in property transactions and then we don't have the data to prove that it increases the value of a home - which then doesn't provide an (additional) incentive to homeowners and commercial property owners to add it.  Luckily, there are some appraisers out there who are educated and are advocates.  The trick is finding them.  When we sold our home, our real estate agent asked if the home inspector was trained in solar energy systems and certified to inspect high performing homes and would only allow a trained inspector in to inspect the house.  She also asked the buyer's mortgage company to confirm that the appraiser they were sending out was trained in solar valuation.  If we don't advocate for it, it won't happen.

    Dara



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    Dara Bortman
    Sustainable Solar Systems
    Philadelphia PA
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  • 7.  RE: Resale of home

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    Contributor
    Posted 06-23-2023 06:47 PM

    Hey Dara: I am going to have Sherman set the WABAC machine to about 40+ years ago here. 

    WABAC
    Now that we are back in the 'PV is for NASA' days, I am thinking about the perception of SDHW collectors on someone's roof. ALL THE COMMENTS that have been made in the time period we came from, are made here in 1983. What about when I want to get my roof changed? What happens if the solar company isn't around when I need maintenance? What happens if when I go to sell my home the perspective buyers don't like solar? Will it hurt my sale price? Allot of the neighbors don't like solar? What if it causes my roof to leak? I mean the Daja-voo here is Ironic. 
    Coming back to the present, PV has progressed in popularity more than Solar Thermal did at least here in the USA (Ronald Reagan......Some other countries no, thermal is huge).
    As was the case with Solar Thermal, Ground mount systems have the advantage of leaving the house out of the equation. Most of the objections disappear. Maybe it takes a hair longer to mow the grass, because I have something to mow around. The BIPV product creation was in no small part invented to alleviate some the the 'add to my roof' objections. Make the PV the roof. Change the attitude from something 'added' to the roof to that which is integral to the house. Same for Solar shingles. Savings over the materials needed for a traditional roof weaved in of course. Greater complexity leads to greater concerns. Roofs are supoose to be simple.
    I guess I am saying, that not allot has changed in 40 years, big picture. But its a process that is underway, a bit slow at times but eventually it will arrive at destination.


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    william fitch
    Owner
    www.WeAreSolar.com
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  • 8.  RE: Resale of home

    ASES Award Winner
    Posted 06-30-2023 09:59 AM
    Hello Dara. I have reviewed the "Residential Green and Energy Efficient Addendum" sent to me by you. It is to be filled out by the owner, builder or other, not necessarily the appraiser. It is very complex with various green elements. Passive Solar is not mentioned unless it comes under the name "other". no passive elements are asked for. It is very complex and will take days to complete. If you look at this document there is nothing that suggests that a dime be added to an appraisal value. This document might help in marketing but the appraisal cost does not reflect any of these elements. If you are just re financing, this Document will not help at all. 
    This is what is mentioned on my Appraisal done 11/30/2021. Santa Fe, New Mexico.
       THERE ALSO EXISTS A MULTI PANEL OWNED SOLAR VOLTAIC ELECTRICITY GENERATING SYSTEM. IT PROVIDES ELECTRICAL POWER TO THE HOME AND EXCESS PRODUCED ELECTRICITY IS DIRECTED BACK INTO THE GRID AND IS PURCHASED BY PNM, THE LOCAL ELECTRICAL POWER PROVIDER. THESE SYSTEMS ARE QUITE EXPENSIVE TO IMPLEMENT, HOWEVER, THERE EXISTS NO CONSISTENT DATA TO SUGGEST THAT THEY HAVE ANY INCREMENTS OF VALUE IN THE SUBJECT'S MARKETING AREA.`  

    I have been trying to reach the appraiser to see if anything has changed since then. If I hear some good news I'll post it. Don't hold your breath. Mark Chalom







  • 9.  RE: Resale of home

    ASES Life Member
    Posted 07-16-2023 05:24 PM

    Hi Mark -

    Sorry for the delay in responding.  Ugh - this is really frustrating and exactly why we formed the Real Estate Valuation Task Force. Want to join? :-)

    This webinar with speaker/appraiser Woody Fincham talks to this issue (Ella linked to it above as well).

    This is a great article by Woody as well.  Obviously, some appraisers are getting trained  and learning about and using tools to accurately value (or at least value) green features.

    As for the Addendum form - I completed it myself for the home we sold.  I ignored fields I didn't understand and just included information I knew.  I figured it was better than nothing. My real estate agent didn't know about the form and I doubt she's used it again for any homes she's sold (unfortunately).  I'm not sure what the appraiser eventually did with that but it should have gotten our buyers a higher appraised value that justified a higher mortgage value for them. 

    As you can see on the Appraisal Institute's own website, they have a good amount of resources, courses, webinars, etc on appraising green buildings. So your appraiser  is wrong and, I would guess, liable for not doing his job correctly (if you wanted to take it further) as Woody discussed in his article.

    Maybe you can send this link to your appraiser and see if he's taken advantage of any of the resources?

    Dara



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    Dara Bortman
    Sustainable Solar Systems
    Philadelphia PA
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  • 10.  RE: Resale of home

    Posted 06-22-2023 01:07 PM
    Opposite is true…especially when you explain how utility spend per month is added to the purchasing formula for that new buyer. Has been test cased in California so that although it’s the only home addition that adds value, it can’t andd to your property taxes.

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  • 11.  RE: Resale of home

    Posted 06-22-2023 09:10 PM
    The issue is not typically the solar itself but the disposition of the solar. If you have a long term lease on the solar the buyer may not want to be burdened with the contract of an aging system. They also are often concerned about the status of the roof.
    If the system is owned outright and operating properly it should increase the value of the property and considered a tangible asset.
    You’ll need an appraiser who is familiar with solar and the regional benefits that can assign value to the solar.

    Thank you,
    Roger Anderson

    ARC Design & Consulting
    Elmer, NJ

    856-712-2166 (O)
    856-358-1511 ( F)

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