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Okay been seeing these articles pop up all over lately about the oversupply of solar, that are causing fears of actually frying the existing grid. So we began investigating this phenomena to see what is actually going on? 

Australia struggling with oversupply of solar power--

Okay Alex Wonhas, the chief executive of battery developer AMPYR and a former executive at the Australian Energy Market Operator, said the problem was a physical one. Dr Wonhas said traditional sources of generation such as coal- and gas-fired plants, as well as electricity, provide the services that make the grid resilient and help it ride through shocks. These include inertia, the physical property that makes balancing a moving bicycle easier than a stationary one, and "system strength", which helps maintain the heartbeat of the grid. By contrast, Dr Wonhas said wind turbines, solar panels and batteries did not typically provide such services. The result, he said, was a grid that could be left dangerously short of resilience when minimum demand fell too low. In other words, when too many conventional generators were squeezed out of the system. 

"The minimum demand problem typically happens in the middle of the day on weekend days when you have a lot of solar output but maybe not a lot of demand,"

Dr Wonhas said, 

Full Article Here

Can there be such a thing as too much sun? According to Australia, yes. With over 650,000 solar-paneled homes, the country's power grid strains under a surplus of solar energy.

Nationals Senator Matt Canavan claims solar power can't provide "stability" in Australia's electricity system. His remarks come after Energy Minister Chris Bowen continues to defend the solar power grid and is resisting calls to introduce nuclear energy. "I've never been against solar power, the Coalition is not against renewables, but you can have too much of a good thing," Mr Canavan said. "You need to have a balance in any system and the problem we have in our system is there is too much solar power in the middle of the day."

Australia is grappling with too much solar power as renewable growth outpaces grid capacity-

To Much Solar?

 We would like to open this discussion with some more ideas?

" We proposed that as each region encounters this very problem that a " Global Power Grid " might become the solution as the light side could transfer excess solar electricity to the, Dark Side,  vice versa.  That might border on some Star Wars nostalgia but with the advent of the current Drone Wars, might just be suited for our particular SUN/EARTH situation right here in our own galaxy, that is not so far, far away. " 

Global Solar Grid

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D
------------------------------

Just read the full article referenced in the post.  What's the problem again?  What has occured in Australia was and remains completely predicable and solvable.  The past couple decades of legislative incentives has brought about the current conditions.  An abundance of solar energy is a good thing.  The article goes on to include real and sensable solutions - battery storage and a shift of commercial / industry consumption to take advantage of peak production.  The hand-wringing is laughable.  Utility owned grids are notorious for lack of maintenance.  They need to keep up with demand as well as adapt to new technologies.  And world-wide grid will only occur when Pangea returns.  Then there is the American perspective that includes surprise and uninformed criticism whenever we look across the pond.  But of course no one was aware of this until Musk talked about it.  I suspect the Aussies will solve this dilema without the need of input from Musk or US.  Cheers.

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[Dennis] [Garde AIA, LEED AP]
[OMTC, NEC Ankara, Turkey]
[US Dept. of State / OBO]
[Savannah] [GA]
[Dennis.Garde@gmail.com]

Original Message:
Sent: 12-06-2024 08:43 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Okay been seeing these articles pop up all over lately about the oversupply of solar, that are causing fears of actually frying the existing grid. So we began investigating this phenomena to see what is actually going on? 

Australia struggling with oversupply of solar power--

Okay Alex Wonhas, the chief executive of battery developer AMPYR and a former executive at the Australian Energy Market Operator, said the problem was a physical one. Dr Wonhas said traditional sources of generation such as coal- and gas-fired plants, as well as electricity, provide the services that make the grid resilient and help it ride through shocks. These include inertia, the physical property that makes balancing a moving bicycle easier than a stationary one, and "system strength", which helps maintain the heartbeat of the grid. By contrast, Dr Wonhas said wind turbines, solar panels and batteries did not typically provide such services. The result, he said, was a grid that could be left dangerously short of resilience when minimum demand fell too low. In other words, when too many conventional generators were squeezed out of the system. 

"The minimum demand problem typically happens in the middle of the day on weekend days when you have a lot of solar output but maybe not a lot of demand,"

Dr Wonhas said, 

Full Article Here

Can there be such a thing as too much sun? According to Australia, yes. With over 650,000 solar-paneled homes, the country's power grid strains under a surplus of solar energy.

Nationals Senator Matt Canavan claims solar power can't provide "stability" in Australia's electricity system. His remarks come after Energy Minister Chris Bowen continues to defend the solar power grid and is resisting calls to introduce nuclear energy. "I've never been against solar power, the Coalition is not against renewables, but you can have too much of a good thing," Mr Canavan said. "You need to have a balance in any system and the problem we have in our system is there is too much solar power in the middle of the day."

Australia is grappling with too much solar power as renewable growth outpaces grid capacity-

To Much Solar?

 We would like to open this discussion with some more ideas?

" We proposed that as each region encounters this very problem that a " Global Power Grid " might become the solution as the light side could transfer excess solar electricity to the, Dark Side,  vice versa.  That might border on some Star Wars nostalgia but with the advent of the current Drone Wars, might just be suited for our particular SUN/EARTH situation right here in our own galaxy, that is not so far, far away. " 

Global Solar Grid

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D
------------------------------

Okay been seeing these articles pop up all over lately about the oversupply of solar, that are causing fears of actually frying the existing grid. So we began investigating this phenomena to see what is actually going on? 

Australia struggling with oversupply of solar power--

Okay Alex Wonhas, the chief executive of battery developer AMPYR and a former executive at the Australian Energy Market Operator, said the problem was a physical one. Dr Wonhas said traditional sources of generation such as coal- and gas-fired plants, as well as electricity, provide the services that make the grid resilient and help it ride through shocks. These include inertia, the physical property that makes balancing a moving bicycle easier than a stationary one, and "system strength", which helps maintain the heartbeat of the grid. By contrast, Dr Wonhas said wind turbines, solar panels and batteries did not typically provide such services. The result, he said, was a grid that could be left dangerously short of resilience when minimum demand fell too low. In other words, when too many conventional generators were squeezed out of the system. 

"The minimum demand problem typically happens in the middle of the day on weekend days when you have a lot of solar output but maybe not a lot of demand,"

Dr Wonhas said, 

Full Article Here

Can there be such a thing as too much sun? According to Australia, yes. With over 650,000 solar-paneled homes, the country's power grid strains under a surplus of solar energy.

Nationals Senator Matt Canavan claims solar power can't provide "stability" in Australia's electricity system. His remarks come after Energy Minister Chris Bowen continues to defend the solar power grid and is resisting calls to introduce nuclear energy. "I've never been against solar power, the Coalition is not against renewables, but you can have too much of a good thing," Mr Canavan said. "You need to have a balance in any system and the problem we have in our system is there is too much solar power in the middle of the day."

Australia is grappling with too much solar power as renewable growth outpaces grid capacity-

To Much Solar?

 We would like to open this discussion with some more ideas?

" We proposed that as each region encounters this very problem that a " Global Power Grid " might become the solution as the light side could transfer excess solar electricity to the, Dark Side,  vice versa.  That might border on some Star Wars nostalgia but with the advent of the current Drone Wars, might just be suited for our particular SUN/EARTH situation right here in our own galaxy, that is not so far, far away. " 

Global Solar Grid

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 12/6/2024 10:43:00 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Okay been seeing these articles pop up all over lately about the oversupply of solar, that are causing fears of actually frying the existing grid. So we began investigating this phenomena to see what is actually going on? 

Australia struggling with oversupply of solar power--

Okay Alex Wonhas, the chief executive of battery developer AMPYR and a former executive at the Australian Energy Market Operator, said the problem was a physical one. Dr Wonhas said traditional sources of generation such as coal- and gas-fired plants, as well as electricity, provide the services that make the grid resilient and help it ride through shocks. These include inertia, the physical property that makes balancing a moving bicycle easier than a stationary one, and "system strength", which helps maintain the heartbeat of the grid. By contrast, Dr Wonhas said wind turbines, solar panels and batteries did not typically provide such services. The result, he said, was a grid that could be left dangerously short of resilience when minimum demand fell too low. In other words, when too many conventional generators were squeezed out of the system. 

"The minimum demand problem typically happens in the middle of the day on weekend days when you have a lot of solar output but maybe not a lot of demand,"

Dr Wonhas said, 

Full Article Here

Can there be such a thing as too much sun? According to Australia, yes. With over 650,000 solar-paneled homes, the country's power grid strains under a surplus of solar energy.

Nationals Senator Matt Canavan claims solar power can't provide "stability" in Australia's electricity system. His remarks come after Energy Minister Chris Bowen continues to defend the solar power grid and is resisting calls to introduce nuclear energy. "I've never been against solar power, the Coalition is not against renewables, but you can have too much of a good thing," Mr Canavan said. "You need to have a balance in any system and the problem we have in our system is there is too much solar power in the middle of the day."

Australia is grappling with too much solar power as renewable growth outpaces grid capacity-

To Much Solar?

 We would like to open this discussion with some more ideas?

" We proposed that as each region encounters this very problem that a " Global Power Grid " might become the solution as the light side could transfer excess solar electricity to the, Dark Side,  vice versa.  That might border on some Star Wars nostalgia but with the advent of the current Drone Wars, might just be suited for our particular SUN/EARTH situation right here in our own galaxy, that is not so far, far away. " 

Global Solar Grid

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D
------------------------------

Okay been seeing these articles pop up all over lately about the oversupply of solar, that are causing fears of actually frying the existing grid. So we began investigating this phenomena to see what is actually going on? 

Australia struggling with oversupply of solar power--

Okay Alex Wonhas, the chief executive of battery developer AMPYR and a former executive at the Australian Energy Market Operator, said the problem was a physical one. Dr Wonhas said traditional sources of generation such as coal- and gas-fired plants, as well as electricity, provide the services that make the grid resilient and help it ride through shocks. These include inertia, the physical property that makes balancing a moving bicycle easier than a stationary one, and "system strength", which helps maintain the heartbeat of the grid. By contrast, Dr Wonhas said wind turbines, solar panels and batteries did not typically provide such services. The result, he said, was a grid that could be left dangerously short of resilience when minimum demand fell too low. In other words, when too many conventional generators were squeezed out of the system. 

"The minimum demand problem typically happens in the middle of the day on weekend days when you have a lot of solar output but maybe not a lot of demand,"

Dr Wonhas said, 

Full Article Here

Can there be such a thing as too much sun? According to Australia, yes. With over 650,000 solar-paneled homes, the country's power grid strains under a surplus of solar energy.

Nationals Senator Matt Canavan claims solar power can't provide "stability" in Australia's electricity system. His remarks come after Energy Minister Chris Bowen continues to defend the solar power grid and is resisting calls to introduce nuclear energy. "I've never been against solar power, the Coalition is not against renewables, but you can have too much of a good thing," Mr Canavan said. "You need to have a balance in any system and the problem we have in our system is there is too much solar power in the middle of the day."

Australia is grappling with too much solar power as renewable growth outpaces grid capacity-

To Much Solar?

 We would like to open this discussion with some more ideas?

" We proposed that as each region encounters this very problem that a " Global Power Grid " might become the solution as the light side could transfer excess solar electricity to the, Dark Side,  vice versa.  That might border on some Star Wars nostalgia but with the advent of the current Drone Wars, might just be suited for our particular SUN/EARTH situation right here in our own galaxy, that is not so far, far away. " 

Global Solar Grid

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D
------------------------------

More nonsense in a world of nonsense. Typical engineering stuff.

Its what you should expect in a Capitalistic world when you start talking FREE energy.

Remember, FREE is to Capitalism as TRUTH is to Fascism.

No surprises here from the reality side or the nonsense side.

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-06-2024 08:43 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Okay been seeing these articles pop up all over lately about the oversupply of solar, that are causing fears of actually frying the existing grid. So we began investigating this phenomena to see what is actually going on? 

Australia struggling with oversupply of solar power--

Okay Alex Wonhas, the chief executive of battery developer AMPYR and a former executive at the Australian Energy Market Operator, said the problem was a physical one. Dr Wonhas said traditional sources of generation such as coal- and gas-fired plants, as well as electricity, provide the services that make the grid resilient and help it ride through shocks. These include inertia, the physical property that makes balancing a moving bicycle easier than a stationary one, and "system strength", which helps maintain the heartbeat of the grid. By contrast, Dr Wonhas said wind turbines, solar panels and batteries did not typically provide such services. The result, he said, was a grid that could be left dangerously short of resilience when minimum demand fell too low. In other words, when too many conventional generators were squeezed out of the system. 

"The minimum demand problem typically happens in the middle of the day on weekend days when you have a lot of solar output but maybe not a lot of demand,"

Dr Wonhas said, 

Full Article Here

Can there be such a thing as too much sun? According to Australia, yes. With over 650,000 solar-paneled homes, the country's power grid strains under a surplus of solar energy.

Nationals Senator Matt Canavan claims solar power can't provide "stability" in Australia's electricity system. His remarks come after Energy Minister Chris Bowen continues to defend the solar power grid and is resisting calls to introduce nuclear energy. "I've never been against solar power, the Coalition is not against renewables, but you can have too much of a good thing," Mr Canavan said. "You need to have a balance in any system and the problem we have in our system is there is too much solar power in the middle of the day."

Australia is grappling with too much solar power as renewable growth outpaces grid capacity-

To Much Solar?

 We would like to open this discussion with some more ideas?

" We proposed that as each region encounters this very problem that a " Global Power Grid " might become the solution as the light side could transfer excess solar electricity to the, Dark Side,  vice versa.  That might border on some Star Wars nostalgia but with the advent of the current Drone Wars, might just be suited for our particular SUN/EARTH situation right here in our own galaxy, that is not so far, far away. " 

Global Solar Grid

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D
------------------------------

Bill we agree, " NON-Sence " Just basically  means that something doesn't make a lot of sense, and you are right the poor planning and foresight that went into these enterprizes are well below the already established mark in many other countries like Germany for instance. Common- Sense would dictate better even with current solar technologies, but at least we are now seeing a massive push towards totally off grid homes that are totally fed up with this bull crap and rightly so.. Remember *

 Freedom and Truth go hand in hand for it is written,

"  And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

Trouble is as the say to see a truly free individual scares the hell out of most people because mainly they have not educated themselves enough to handle the truth, but nevertheless as Fox Mulder would say, " The Truth Is Out There! " 

Here Here!  

Designed and built by the talented team at ample, Stella is a uniquely Victorian mobile tiny home built using salvaged and repurposed material from an original farm shack. A three kilowatt solar system, 4000 liter water tank and her own septic storage system make Stella completely off grid.

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-10-2024 10:59 AM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

More nonsense in a world of nonsense. Typical engineering stuff.

Its what you should expect in a Capitalistic world when you start talking FREE energy.

Remember, FREE is to Capitalism as TRUTH is to Fascism.

No surprises here from the reality side or the nonsense side.

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-06-2024 08:43 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Okay been seeing these articles pop up all over lately about the oversupply of solar, that are causing fears of actually frying the existing grid. So we began investigating this phenomena to see what is actually going on? 

Australia struggling with oversupply of solar power--

Okay Alex Wonhas, the chief executive of battery developer AMPYR and a former executive at the Australian Energy Market Operator, said the problem was a physical one. Dr Wonhas said traditional sources of generation such as coal- and gas-fired plants, as well as electricity, provide the services that make the grid resilient and help it ride through shocks. These include inertia, the physical property that makes balancing a moving bicycle easier than a stationary one, and "system strength", which helps maintain the heartbeat of the grid. By contrast, Dr Wonhas said wind turbines, solar panels and batteries did not typically provide such services. The result, he said, was a grid that could be left dangerously short of resilience when minimum demand fell too low. In other words, when too many conventional generators were squeezed out of the system. 

"The minimum demand problem typically happens in the middle of the day on weekend days when you have a lot of solar output but maybe not a lot of demand,"

Dr Wonhas said, 

Full Article Here

Can there be such a thing as too much sun? According to Australia, yes. With over 650,000 solar-paneled homes, the country's power grid strains under a surplus of solar energy.

Nationals Senator Matt Canavan claims solar power can't provide "stability" in Australia's electricity system. His remarks come after Energy Minister Chris Bowen continues to defend the solar power grid and is resisting calls to introduce nuclear energy. "I've never been against solar power, the Coalition is not against renewables, but you can have too much of a good thing," Mr Canavan said. "You need to have a balance in any system and the problem we have in our system is there is too much solar power in the middle of the day."

Australia is grappling with too much solar power as renewable growth outpaces grid capacity-

To Much Solar?

 We would like to open this discussion with some more ideas?

" We proposed that as each region encounters this very problem that a " Global Power Grid " might become the solution as the light side could transfer excess solar electricity to the, Dark Side,  vice versa.  That might border on some Star Wars nostalgia but with the advent of the current Drone Wars, might just be suited for our particular SUN/EARTH situation right here in our own galaxy, that is not so far, far away. " 

Global Solar Grid

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D
------------------------------

Not really a fan of off grid for many reasons. Off grid capable, yes. Off grid as normal day to day, no.

Tiny houses are fine for certain people. Not for others. I was just trying to visualize where I would put my 3 workshops in that trailer, for starters. They are good for people who only sleep, eat and collect stamps, and do everything else somewhere else.

And then there is the climate factor and resilience in long duration environmental disasters, etc..

But works for some......

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-10-2024 11:47 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Bill we agree, " NON-Sence " Just basically  means that something doesn't make a lot of sense, and you are right the poor planning and foresight that went into these enterprizes are well below the already established mark in many other countries like Germany for instance. Common- Sense would dictate better even with current solar technologies, but at least we are now seeing a massive push towards totally off grid homes that are totally fed up with this bull crap and rightly so.. Remember *

 Freedom and Truth go hand in hand for it is written,

"  And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

Trouble is as the say to see a truly free individual scares the hell out of most people because mainly they have not educated themselves enough to handle the truth, but nevertheless as Fox Mulder would say, " The Truth Is Out There! " 

Here Here!  

Designed and built by the talented team at ample, Stella is a uniquely Victorian mobile tiny home built using salvaged and repurposed material from an original farm shack. A three kilowatt solar system, 4000 liter water tank and her own septic storage system make Stella completely off grid.

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-10-2024 10:59 AM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

More nonsense in a world of nonsense. Typical engineering stuff.

Its what you should expect in a Capitalistic world when you start talking FREE energy.

Remember, FREE is to Capitalism as TRUTH is to Fascism.

No surprises here from the reality side or the nonsense side.

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-06-2024 08:43 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Okay been seeing these articles pop up all over lately about the oversupply of solar, that are causing fears of actually frying the existing grid. So we began investigating this phenomena to see what is actually going on? 

Australia struggling with oversupply of solar power--

Okay Alex Wonhas, the chief executive of battery developer AMPYR and a former executive at the Australian Energy Market Operator, said the problem was a physical one. Dr Wonhas said traditional sources of generation such as coal- and gas-fired plants, as well as electricity, provide the services that make the grid resilient and help it ride through shocks. These include inertia, the physical property that makes balancing a moving bicycle easier than a stationary one, and "system strength", which helps maintain the heartbeat of the grid. By contrast, Dr Wonhas said wind turbines, solar panels and batteries did not typically provide such services. The result, he said, was a grid that could be left dangerously short of resilience when minimum demand fell too low. In other words, when too many conventional generators were squeezed out of the system. 

"The minimum demand problem typically happens in the middle of the day on weekend days when you have a lot of solar output but maybe not a lot of demand,"

Dr Wonhas said, 

Full Article Here

Can there be such a thing as too much sun? According to Australia, yes. With over 650,000 solar-paneled homes, the country's power grid strains under a surplus of solar energy.

Nationals Senator Matt Canavan claims solar power can't provide "stability" in Australia's electricity system. His remarks come after Energy Minister Chris Bowen continues to defend the solar power grid and is resisting calls to introduce nuclear energy. "I've never been against solar power, the Coalition is not against renewables, but you can have too much of a good thing," Mr Canavan said. "You need to have a balance in any system and the problem we have in our system is there is too much solar power in the middle of the day."

Australia is grappling with too much solar power as renewable growth outpaces grid capacity-

To Much Solar?

 We would like to open this discussion with some more ideas?

" We proposed that as each region encounters this very problem that a " Global Power Grid " might become the solution as the light side could transfer excess solar electricity to the, Dark Side,  vice versa.  That might border on some Star Wars nostalgia but with the advent of the current Drone Wars, might just be suited for our particular SUN/EARTH situation right here in our own galaxy, that is not so far, far away. " 

Global Solar Grid

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D
------------------------------

In the very near future solar energy technologies will advance to become so darn efficient along with super storage capabilities that 100% off grid homes and businesses will become common place all around the world. The grid will still be around yet mostly microgrids that will be powered by billions of solar homes, and EVs everywhere that will be able to choose rather they sell power to feed the community grids or not depending on situation as each and every human being upon this planet becomes a producer instead of a consumer as the energy paradigm contunues to shift.

Meanwhile back to the here and now *

In the end, the Tesla 100 watt Lithium-ion battery was installed at the Hornsdale Power Reserve, well within the promised 100 days. With a capacity of 129 megawatt hours, it was the largest lithium-ion battery in the world at the time. It was so effective that several companies have started investing in power storage development as well. Soon, consumers might be able to store their own energy instead of relying on the country’s power grid.

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 12-11-2024 12:29 PM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Not really a fan of off grid for many reasons. Off grid capable, yes. Off grid as normal day to day, no.

Tiny houses are fine for certain people. Not for others. I was just trying to visualize where I would put my 3 workshops in that trailer, for starters. They are good for people who only sleep, eat and collect stamps, and do everything else somewhere else.

And then there is the climate factor and resilience in long duration environmental disasters, etc..

But works for some......

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-10-2024 11:47 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Bill we agree, " NON-Sence " Just basically  means that something doesn't make a lot of sense, and you are right the poor planning and foresight that went into these enterprizes are well below the already established mark in many other countries like Germany for instance. Common- Sense would dictate better even with current solar technologies, but at least we are now seeing a massive push towards totally off grid homes that are totally fed up with this bull crap and rightly so.. Remember *

 Freedom and Truth go hand in hand for it is written,

"  And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

Trouble is as the say to see a truly free individual scares the hell out of most people because mainly they have not educated themselves enough to handle the truth, but nevertheless as Fox Mulder would say, " The Truth Is Out There! " 

Here Here!  

Designed and built by the talented team at ample, Stella is a uniquely Victorian mobile tiny home built using salvaged and repurposed material from an original farm shack. A three kilowatt solar system, 4000 liter water tank and her own septic storage system make Stella completely off grid.

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-10-2024 10:59 AM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

More nonsense in a world of nonsense. Typical engineering stuff.

Its what you should expect in a Capitalistic world when you start talking FREE energy.

Remember, FREE is to Capitalism as TRUTH is to Fascism.

No surprises here from the reality side or the nonsense side.

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-06-2024 08:43 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Okay been seeing these articles pop up all over lately about the oversupply of solar, that are causing fears of actually frying the existing grid. So we began investigating this phenomena to see what is actually going on? 

Australia struggling with oversupply of solar power--

Okay Alex Wonhas, the chief executive of battery developer AMPYR and a former executive at the Australian Energy Market Operator, said the problem was a physical one. Dr Wonhas said traditional sources of generation such as coal- and gas-fired plants, as well as electricity, provide the services that make the grid resilient and help it ride through shocks. These include inertia, the physical property that makes balancing a moving bicycle easier than a stationary one, and "system strength", which helps maintain the heartbeat of the grid. By contrast, Dr Wonhas said wind turbines, solar panels and batteries did not typically provide such services. The result, he said, was a grid that could be left dangerously short of resilience when minimum demand fell too low. In other words, when too many conventional generators were squeezed out of the system. 

"The minimum demand problem typically happens in the middle of the day on weekend days when you have a lot of solar output but maybe not a lot of demand,"

Dr Wonhas said, 

Full Article Here

Can there be such a thing as too much sun? According to Australia, yes. With over 650,000 solar-paneled homes, the country's power grid strains under a surplus of solar energy.

Nationals Senator Matt Canavan claims solar power can't provide "stability" in Australia's electricity system. His remarks come after Energy Minister Chris Bowen continues to defend the solar power grid and is resisting calls to introduce nuclear energy. "I've never been against solar power, the Coalition is not against renewables, but you can have too much of a good thing," Mr Canavan said. "You need to have a balance in any system and the problem we have in our system is there is too much solar power in the middle of the day."

Australia is grappling with too much solar power as renewable growth outpaces grid capacity-

To Much Solar?

 We would like to open this discussion with some more ideas?

" We proposed that as each region encounters this very problem that a " Global Power Grid " might become the solution as the light side could transfer excess solar electricity to the, Dark Side,  vice versa.  That might border on some Star Wars nostalgia but with the advent of the current Drone Wars, might just be suited for our particular SUN/EARTH situation right here in our own galaxy, that is not so far, far away. " 

Global Solar Grid

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 12/12/2024 8:32:00 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: RE: Solar Oversupply?

In the very near future solar energy technologies will advance to become so darn efficient along with super storage capabilities that 100% off grid homes and businesses will become common place all around the world. The grid will still be around yet mostly microgrids that will be powered by billions of solar homes, and EVs everywhere that will be able to choose rather they sell power to feed the community grids or not depending on situation as each and every human being upon this planet becomes a producer instead of a consumer as the energy paradigm contunues to shift.

Meanwhile back to the here and now *

In the end, the Tesla 100 watt Lithium-ion battery was installed at the Hornsdale Power Reserve, well within the promised 100 days. With a capacity of 129 megawatt hours, it was the largest lithium-ion battery in the world at the time. It was so effective that several companies have started investing in power storage development as well. Soon, consumers might be able to store their own energy instead of relying on the country's power grid.

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-11-2024 12:29 PM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Not really a fan of off grid for many reasons. Off grid capable, yes. Off grid as normal day to day, no.

Tiny houses are fine for certain people. Not for others. I was just trying to visualize where I would put my 3 workshops in that trailer, for starters. They are good for people who only sleep, eat and collect stamps, and do everything else somewhere else.

And then there is the climate factor and resilience in long duration environmental disasters, etc..

But works for some......

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-10-2024 11:47 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Bill we agree, " NON-Sence " Just basically  means that something doesn't make a lot of sense, and you are right the poor planning and foresight that went into these enterprizes are well below the already established mark in many other countries like Germany for instance. Common- Sense would dictate better even with current solar technologies, but at least we are now seeing a massive push towards totally off grid homes that are totally fed up with this bull crap and rightly so.. Remember *

 Freedom and Truth go hand in hand for it is written,

"  And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

Trouble is as the say to see a truly free individual scares the hell out of most people because mainly they have not educated themselves enough to handle the truth, but nevertheless as Fox Mulder would say, " The Truth Is Out There! " 

Here Here!  

Designed and built by the talented team at ample, Stella is a uniquely Victorian mobile tiny home built using salvaged and repurposed material from an original farm shack. A three kilowatt solar system, 4000 liter water tank and her own septic storage system make Stella completely off grid.

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-10-2024 10:59 AM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

More nonsense in a world of nonsense. Typical engineering stuff.

Its what you should expect in a Capitalistic world when you start talking FREE energy.

Remember, FREE is to Capitalism as TRUTH is to Fascism.

No surprises here from the reality side or the nonsense side.

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-06-2024 08:43 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Okay been seeing these articles pop up all over lately about the oversupply of solar, that are causing fears of actually frying the existing grid. So we began investigating this phenomena to see what is actually going on? 

Australia struggling with oversupply of solar power--

Okay Alex Wonhas, the chief executive of battery developer AMPYR and a former executive at the Australian Energy Market Operator, said the problem was a physical one. Dr Wonhas said traditional sources of generation such as coal- and gas-fired plants, as well as electricity, provide the services that make the grid resilient and help it ride through shocks. These include inertia, the physical property that makes balancing a moving bicycle easier than a stationary one, and "system strength", which helps maintain the heartbeat of the grid. By contrast, Dr Wonhas said wind turbines, solar panels and batteries did not typically provide such services. The result, he said, was a grid that could be left dangerously short of resilience when minimum demand fell too low. In other words, when too many conventional generators were squeezed out of the system. 

"The minimum demand problem typically happens in the middle of the day on weekend days when you have a lot of solar output but maybe not a lot of demand,"

Dr Wonhas said, 

Full Article Here

Can there be such a thing as too much sun? According to Australia, yes. With over 650,000 solar-paneled homes, the country's power grid strains under a surplus of solar energy.

Nationals Senator Matt Canavan claims solar power can't provide "stability" in Australia's electricity system. His remarks come after Energy Minister Chris Bowen continues to defend the solar power grid and is resisting calls to introduce nuclear energy. "I've never been against solar power, the Coalition is not against renewables, but you can have too much of a good thing," Mr Canavan said. "You need to have a balance in any system and the problem we have in our system is there is too much solar power in the middle of the day."

Australia is grappling with too much solar power as renewable growth outpaces grid capacity-

To Much Solar?

 We would like to open this discussion with some more ideas?

" We proposed that as each region encounters this very problem that a " Global Power Grid " might become the solution as the light side could transfer excess solar electricity to the, Dark Side,  vice versa.  That might border on some Star Wars nostalgia but with the advent of the current Drone Wars, might just be suited for our particular SUN/EARTH situation right here in our own galaxy, that is not so far, far away. " 

Global Solar Grid

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D
------------------------------

Well yes. It is in the old vernacular the ultimate way to give the finger to "the man". I don't need "you" for my energy. I will take my toys and go home!! ....lol...

And yes there are cases where it makes $$$ sense, especially if you are a long distance from a grid connect, and all the connection costs would be on you. Can get very expensive.

The problem with always off-grid is you can not gen more than you use. So max EROI of the PV is not achieved. And inverter tech is far less forgiving of peak surges than standard pole transformers. Transformers can take a beating. Inverters not so much. Its just different Physics. Inverters are digital if you wish. Transformers are analog, to use a possible audiophile comparison.

But yes, there is always someone out there who will eat just about anything, though not the norm...

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-12-2024 07:09 AM
From: Joe Schiller
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Original Message:
Sent: 12/12/2024 8:32:00 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: RE: Solar Oversupply?

In the very near future solar energy technologies will advance to become so darn efficient along with super storage capabilities that 100% off grid homes and businesses will become common place all around the world. The grid will still be around yet mostly microgrids that will be powered by billions of solar homes, and EVs everywhere that will be able to choose rather they sell power to feed the community grids or not depending on situation as each and every human being upon this planet becomes a producer instead of a consumer as the energy paradigm contunues to shift.

Meanwhile back to the here and now *

In the end, the Tesla 100 watt Lithium-ion battery was installed at the Hornsdale Power Reserve, well within the promised 100 days. With a capacity of 129 megawatt hours, it was the largest lithium-ion battery in the world at the time. It was so effective that several companies have started investing in power storage development as well. Soon, consumers might be able to store their own energy instead of relying on the country's power grid.

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-11-2024 12:29 PM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Not really a fan of off grid for many reasons. Off grid capable, yes. Off grid as normal day to day, no.

Tiny houses are fine for certain people. Not for others. I was just trying to visualize where I would put my 3 workshops in that trailer, for starters. They are good for people who only sleep, eat and collect stamps, and do everything else somewhere else.

And then there is the climate factor and resilience in long duration environmental disasters, etc..

But works for some......

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-10-2024 11:47 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Bill we agree, " NON-Sence " Just basically  means that something doesn't make a lot of sense, and you are right the poor planning and foresight that went into these enterprizes are well below the already established mark in many other countries like Germany for instance. Common- Sense would dictate better even with current solar technologies, but at least we are now seeing a massive push towards totally off grid homes that are totally fed up with this bull crap and rightly so.. Remember *

 Freedom and Truth go hand in hand for it is written,

"  And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

Trouble is as the say to see a truly free individual scares the hell out of most people because mainly they have not educated themselves enough to handle the truth, but nevertheless as Fox Mulder would say, " The Truth Is Out There! " 

Here Here!  

Designed and built by the talented team at ample, Stella is a uniquely Victorian mobile tiny home built using salvaged and repurposed material from an original farm shack. A three kilowatt solar system, 4000 liter water tank and her own septic storage system make Stella completely off grid.

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-10-2024 10:59 AM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

More nonsense in a world of nonsense. Typical engineering stuff.

Its what you should expect in a Capitalistic world when you start talking FREE energy.

Remember, FREE is to Capitalism as TRUTH is to Fascism.

No surprises here from the reality side or the nonsense side.

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-06-2024 08:43 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Okay been seeing these articles pop up all over lately about the oversupply of solar, that are causing fears of actually frying the existing grid. So we began investigating this phenomena to see what is actually going on? 

Australia struggling with oversupply of solar power--

Okay Alex Wonhas, the chief executive of battery developer AMPYR and a former executive at the Australian Energy Market Operator, said the problem was a physical one. Dr Wonhas said traditional sources of generation such as coal- and gas-fired plants, as well as electricity, provide the services that make the grid resilient and help it ride through shocks. These include inertia, the physical property that makes balancing a moving bicycle easier than a stationary one, and "system strength", which helps maintain the heartbeat of the grid. By contrast, Dr Wonhas said wind turbines, solar panels and batteries did not typically provide such services. The result, he said, was a grid that could be left dangerously short of resilience when minimum demand fell too low. In other words, when too many conventional generators were squeezed out of the system. 

"The minimum demand problem typically happens in the middle of the day on weekend days when you have a lot of solar output but maybe not a lot of demand,"

Dr Wonhas said, 

Full Article Here

Can there be such a thing as too much sun? According to Australia, yes. With over 650,000 solar-paneled homes, the country's power grid strains under a surplus of solar energy.

Nationals Senator Matt Canavan claims solar power can't provide "stability" in Australia's electricity system. His remarks come after Energy Minister Chris Bowen continues to defend the solar power grid and is resisting calls to introduce nuclear energy. "I've never been against solar power, the Coalition is not against renewables, but you can have too much of a good thing," Mr Canavan said. "You need to have a balance in any system and the problem we have in our system is there is too much solar power in the middle of the day."

Australia is grappling with too much solar power as renewable growth outpaces grid capacity-

To Much Solar?

 We would like to open this discussion with some more ideas?

" We proposed that as each region encounters this very problem that a " Global Power Grid " might become the solution as the light side could transfer excess solar electricity to the, Dark Side,  vice versa.  That might border on some Star Wars nostalgia but with the advent of the current Drone Wars, might just be suited for our particular SUN/EARTH situation right here in our own galaxy, that is not so far, far away. " 

Global Solar Grid

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D
------------------------------

Bill,  household appliances and electronics are becoming so energy efficient that solar roofs, and  envelopes coupled with even moderate storage can meet load demands now months in advance of the sun which throws the lag for overcast days out the window. As this new generation of kids get a grasp on this technology,  we are expecting an enormous surge towards off grid living where people are desiring a more minimalist lifestyle within pristine environments all about our beautiful planet.  The exodus from these nasty urban catastrophes will accelerate so rapidly that  even the so called urbanite renaissance, "  The Man " will be forced to tag along as well..

Australia's housing industry is locked in a war of two fronts, fighting challenges in both affordability and sustainability. The housing crisis has continued to dominate headlines into 2024, with skyrocketing home prices and rents making it increasingly difficult for regular Aussies to find somewhere to live.

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-12-2024 07:34 AM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Well yes. It is in the old vernacular the ultimate way to give the finger to "the man". I don't need "you" for my energy. I will take my toys and go home!! ....lol...

And yes there are cases where it makes $$$ sense, especially if you are a long distance from a grid connect, and all the connection costs would be on you. Can get very expensive.

The problem with always off-grid is you can not gen more than you use. So max EROI of the PV is not achieved. And inverter tech is far less forgiving of peak surges than standard pole transformers. Transformers can take a beating. Inverters not so much. Its just different Physics. Inverters are digital if you wish. Transformers are analog, to use a possible audiophile comparison.

But yes, there is always someone out there who will eat just about anything, though not the norm...

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-12-2024 07:09 AM
From: Joe Schiller
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Original Message:
Sent: 12/12/2024 8:32:00 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: RE: Solar Oversupply?

In the very near future solar energy technologies will advance to become so darn efficient along with super storage capabilities that 100% off grid homes and businesses will become common place all around the world. The grid will still be around yet mostly microgrids that will be powered by billions of solar homes, and EVs everywhere that will be able to choose rather they sell power to feed the community grids or not depending on situation as each and every human being upon this planet becomes a producer instead of a consumer as the energy paradigm contunues to shift.

Meanwhile back to the here and now *

In the end, the Tesla 100 watt Lithium-ion battery was installed at the Hornsdale Power Reserve, well within the promised 100 days. With a capacity of 129 megawatt hours, it was the largest lithium-ion battery in the world at the time. It was so effective that several companies have started investing in power storage development as well. Soon, consumers might be able to store their own energy instead of relying on the country's power grid.

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-11-2024 12:29 PM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Not really a fan of off grid for many reasons. Off grid capable, yes. Off grid as normal day to day, no.

Tiny houses are fine for certain people. Not for others. I was just trying to visualize where I would put my 3 workshops in that trailer, for starters. They are good for people who only sleep, eat and collect stamps, and do everything else somewhere else.

And then there is the climate factor and resilience in long duration environmental disasters, etc..

But works for some......

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-10-2024 11:47 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Bill we agree, " NON-Sence " Just basically  means that something doesn't make a lot of sense, and you are right the poor planning and foresight that went into these enterprizes are well below the already established mark in many other countries like Germany for instance. Common- Sense would dictate better even with current solar technologies, but at least we are now seeing a massive push towards totally off grid homes that are totally fed up with this bull crap and rightly so.. Remember *

 Freedom and Truth go hand in hand for it is written,

"  And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

Trouble is as the say to see a truly free individual scares the hell out of most people because mainly they have not educated themselves enough to handle the truth, but nevertheless as Fox Mulder would say, " The Truth Is Out There! " 

Here Here!  

Designed and built by the talented team at ample, Stella is a uniquely Victorian mobile tiny home built using salvaged and repurposed material from an original farm shack. A three kilowatt solar system, 4000 liter water tank and her own septic storage system make Stella completely off grid.

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-10-2024 10:59 AM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

More nonsense in a world of nonsense. Typical engineering stuff.

Its what you should expect in a Capitalistic world when you start talking FREE energy.

Remember, FREE is to Capitalism as TRUTH is to Fascism.

No surprises here from the reality side or the nonsense side.

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-06-2024 08:43 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Okay been seeing these articles pop up all over lately about the oversupply of solar, that are causing fears of actually frying the existing grid. So we began investigating this phenomena to see what is actually going on? 

Australia struggling with oversupply of solar power--

Okay Alex Wonhas, the chief executive of battery developer AMPYR and a former executive at the Australian Energy Market Operator, said the problem was a physical one. Dr Wonhas said traditional sources of generation such as coal- and gas-fired plants, as well as electricity, provide the services that make the grid resilient and help it ride through shocks. These include inertia, the physical property that makes balancing a moving bicycle easier than a stationary one, and "system strength", which helps maintain the heartbeat of the grid. By contrast, Dr Wonhas said wind turbines, solar panels and batteries did not typically provide such services. The result, he said, was a grid that could be left dangerously short of resilience when minimum demand fell too low. In other words, when too many conventional generators were squeezed out of the system. 

"The minimum demand problem typically happens in the middle of the day on weekend days when you have a lot of solar output but maybe not a lot of demand,"

Dr Wonhas said, 

Full Article Here

Can there be such a thing as too much sun? According to Australia, yes. With over 650,000 solar-paneled homes, the country's power grid strains under a surplus of solar energy.

Nationals Senator Matt Canavan claims solar power can't provide "stability" in Australia's electricity system. His remarks come after Energy Minister Chris Bowen continues to defend the solar power grid and is resisting calls to introduce nuclear energy. "I've never been against solar power, the Coalition is not against renewables, but you can have too much of a good thing," Mr Canavan said. "You need to have a balance in any system and the problem we have in our system is there is too much solar power in the middle of the day."

Australia is grappling with too much solar power as renewable growth outpaces grid capacity-

To Much Solar?

 We would like to open this discussion with some more ideas?

" We proposed that as each region encounters this very problem that a " Global Power Grid " might become the solution as the light side could transfer excess solar electricity to the, Dark Side,  vice versa.  That might border on some Star Wars nostalgia but with the advent of the current Drone Wars, might just be suited for our particular SUN/EARTH situation right here in our own galaxy, that is not so far, far away. " 

Global Solar Grid

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D
------------------------------

Those are nice sentiments, but they have NOTHING to do with the specific points I raised...

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-12-2024 08:28 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Bill,  household appliances and electronics are becoming so energy efficient that solar roofs, and  envelopes coupled with even moderate storage can meet load demands now months in advance of the sun which throws the lag for overcast days out the window. As this new generation of kids get a grasp on this technology,  we are expecting an enormous surge towards off grid living where people are desiring a more minimalist lifestyle within pristine environments all about our beautiful planet.  The exodus from these nasty urban catastrophes will accelerate so rapidly that  even the so called urbanite renaissance, "  The Man " will be forced to tag along as well..

Australia's housing industry is locked in a war of two fronts, fighting challenges in both affordability and sustainability. The housing crisis has continued to dominate headlines into 2024, with skyrocketing home prices and rents making it increasingly difficult for regular Aussies to find somewhere to live.

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-12-2024 07:34 AM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Well yes. It is in the old vernacular the ultimate way to give the finger to "the man". I don't need "you" for my energy. I will take my toys and go home!! ....lol...

And yes there are cases where it makes $$$ sense, especially if you are a long distance from a grid connect, and all the connection costs would be on you. Can get very expensive.

The problem with always off-grid is you can not gen more than you use. So max EROI of the PV is not achieved. And inverter tech is far less forgiving of peak surges than standard pole transformers. Transformers can take a beating. Inverters not so much. Its just different Physics. Inverters are digital if you wish. Transformers are analog, to use a possible audiophile comparison.

But yes, there is always someone out there who will eat just about anything, though not the norm...

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-12-2024 07:09 AM
From: Joe Schiller
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Original Message:
Sent: 12/12/2024 8:32:00 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: RE: Solar Oversupply?

In the very near future solar energy technologies will advance to become so darn efficient along with super storage capabilities that 100% off grid homes and businesses will become common place all around the world. The grid will still be around yet mostly microgrids that will be powered by billions of solar homes, and EVs everywhere that will be able to choose rather they sell power to feed the community grids or not depending on situation as each and every human being upon this planet becomes a producer instead of a consumer as the energy paradigm contunues to shift.

Meanwhile back to the here and now *

In the end, the Tesla 100 watt Lithium-ion battery was installed at the Hornsdale Power Reserve, well within the promised 100 days. With a capacity of 129 megawatt hours, it was the largest lithium-ion battery in the world at the time. It was so effective that several companies have started investing in power storage development as well. Soon, consumers might be able to store their own energy instead of relying on the country's power grid.

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-11-2024 12:29 PM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Not really a fan of off grid for many reasons. Off grid capable, yes. Off grid as normal day to day, no.

Tiny houses are fine for certain people. Not for others. I was just trying to visualize where I would put my 3 workshops in that trailer, for starters. They are good for people who only sleep, eat and collect stamps, and do everything else somewhere else.

And then there is the climate factor and resilience in long duration environmental disasters, etc..

But works for some......

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-10-2024 11:47 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Bill we agree, " NON-Sence " Just basically  means that something doesn't make a lot of sense, and you are right the poor planning and foresight that went into these enterprizes are well below the already established mark in many other countries like Germany for instance. Common- Sense would dictate better even with current solar technologies, but at least we are now seeing a massive push towards totally off grid homes that are totally fed up with this bull crap and rightly so.. Remember *

 Freedom and Truth go hand in hand for it is written,

"  And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

Trouble is as the say to see a truly free individual scares the hell out of most people because mainly they have not educated themselves enough to handle the truth, but nevertheless as Fox Mulder would say, " The Truth Is Out There! " 

Here Here!  

Designed and built by the talented team at ample, Stella is a uniquely Victorian mobile tiny home built using salvaged and repurposed material from an original farm shack. A three kilowatt solar system, 4000 liter water tank and her own septic storage system make Stella completely off grid.

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-10-2024 10:59 AM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

More nonsense in a world of nonsense. Typical engineering stuff.

Its what you should expect in a Capitalistic world when you start talking FREE energy.

Remember, FREE is to Capitalism as TRUTH is to Fascism.

No surprises here from the reality side or the nonsense side.

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-06-2024 08:43 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Okay been seeing these articles pop up all over lately about the oversupply of solar, that are causing fears of actually frying the existing grid. So we began investigating this phenomena to see what is actually going on? 

Australia struggling with oversupply of solar power--

Okay Alex Wonhas, the chief executive of battery developer AMPYR and a former executive at the Australian Energy Market Operator, said the problem was a physical one. Dr Wonhas said traditional sources of generation such as coal- and gas-fired plants, as well as electricity, provide the services that make the grid resilient and help it ride through shocks. These include inertia, the physical property that makes balancing a moving bicycle easier than a stationary one, and "system strength", which helps maintain the heartbeat of the grid. By contrast, Dr Wonhas said wind turbines, solar panels and batteries did not typically provide such services. The result, he said, was a grid that could be left dangerously short of resilience when minimum demand fell too low. In other words, when too many conventional generators were squeezed out of the system. 

"The minimum demand problem typically happens in the middle of the day on weekend days when you have a lot of solar output but maybe not a lot of demand,"

Dr Wonhas said, 

Full Article Here

Can there be such a thing as too much sun? According to Australia, yes. With over 650,000 solar-paneled homes, the country's power grid strains under a surplus of solar energy.

Nationals Senator Matt Canavan claims solar power can't provide "stability" in Australia's electricity system. His remarks come after Energy Minister Chris Bowen continues to defend the solar power grid and is resisting calls to introduce nuclear energy. "I've never been against solar power, the Coalition is not against renewables, but you can have too much of a good thing," Mr Canavan said. "You need to have a balance in any system and the problem we have in our system is there is too much solar power in the middle of the day."

Australia is grappling with too much solar power as renewable growth outpaces grid capacity-

To Much Solar?

 We would like to open this discussion with some more ideas?

" We proposed that as each region encounters this very problem that a " Global Power Grid " might become the solution as the light side could transfer excess solar electricity to the, Dark Side,  vice versa.  That might border on some Star Wars nostalgia but with the advent of the current Drone Wars, might just be suited for our particular SUN/EARTH situation right here in our own galaxy, that is not so far, far away. " 

Global Solar Grid

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D
------------------------------

Okay Bill, to your point. Lets get into the nuts and bolts of the crops you have raised?

 " Remember LED lighting products produce light up to 90% more efficiently than incandescent light bulbs and that just happened a few Yesturday's ago so just imagine what a few Tomorrow's hold in store just beyond thoughtechs forbidden door. " 

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-12-2024 09:45 AM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Those are nice sentiments, but they have NOTHING to do with the specific points I raised...

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-12-2024 08:28 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Bill,  household appliances and electronics are becoming so energy efficient that solar roofs, and  envelopes coupled with even moderate storage can meet load demands now months in advance of the sun which throws the lag for overcast days out the window. As this new generation of kids get a grasp on this technology,  we are expecting an enormous surge towards off grid living where people are desiring a more minimalist lifestyle within pristine environments all about our beautiful planet.  The exodus from these nasty urban catastrophes will accelerate so rapidly that  even the so called urbanite renaissance, "  The Man " will be forced to tag along as well..

Australia's housing industry is locked in a war of two fronts, fighting challenges in both affordability and sustainability. The housing crisis has continued to dominate headlines into 2024, with skyrocketing home prices and rents making it increasingly difficult for regular Aussies to find somewhere to live.

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-12-2024 07:34 AM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Well yes. It is in the old vernacular the ultimate way to give the finger to "the man". I don't need "you" for my energy. I will take my toys and go home!! ....lol...

And yes there are cases where it makes $$$ sense, especially if you are a long distance from a grid connect, and all the connection costs would be on you. Can get very expensive.

The problem with always off-grid is you can not gen more than you use. So max EROI of the PV is not achieved. And inverter tech is far less forgiving of peak surges than standard pole transformers. Transformers can take a beating. Inverters not so much. Its just different Physics. Inverters are digital if you wish. Transformers are analog, to use a possible audiophile comparison.

But yes, there is always someone out there who will eat just about anything, though not the norm...

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-12-2024 07:09 AM
From: Joe Schiller
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Original Message:
Sent: 12/12/2024 8:32:00 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: RE: Solar Oversupply?

In the very near future solar energy technologies will advance to become so darn efficient along with super storage capabilities that 100% off grid homes and businesses will become common place all around the world. The grid will still be around yet mostly microgrids that will be powered by billions of solar homes, and EVs everywhere that will be able to choose rather they sell power to feed the community grids or not depending on situation as each and every human being upon this planet becomes a producer instead of a consumer as the energy paradigm contunues to shift.

Meanwhile back to the here and now *

In the end, the Tesla 100 watt Lithium-ion battery was installed at the Hornsdale Power Reserve, well within the promised 100 days. With a capacity of 129 megawatt hours, it was the largest lithium-ion battery in the world at the time. It was so effective that several companies have started investing in power storage development as well. Soon, consumers might be able to store their own energy instead of relying on the country's power grid.

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-11-2024 12:29 PM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Not really a fan of off grid for many reasons. Off grid capable, yes. Off grid as normal day to day, no.

Tiny houses are fine for certain people. Not for others. I was just trying to visualize where I would put my 3 workshops in that trailer, for starters. They are good for people who only sleep, eat and collect stamps, and do everything else somewhere else.

And then there is the climate factor and resilience in long duration environmental disasters, etc..

But works for some......

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-10-2024 11:47 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Bill we agree, " NON-Sence " Just basically  means that something doesn't make a lot of sense, and you are right the poor planning and foresight that went into these enterprizes are well below the already established mark in many other countries like Germany for instance. Common- Sense would dictate better even with current solar technologies, but at least we are now seeing a massive push towards totally off grid homes that are totally fed up with this bull crap and rightly so.. Remember *

 Freedom and Truth go hand in hand for it is written,

"  And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

Trouble is as the say to see a truly free individual scares the hell out of most people because mainly they have not educated themselves enough to handle the truth, but nevertheless as Fox Mulder would say, " The Truth Is Out There! " 

Here Here!  

Designed and built by the talented team at ample, Stella is a uniquely Victorian mobile tiny home built using salvaged and repurposed material from an original farm shack. A three kilowatt solar system, 4000 liter water tank and her own septic storage system make Stella completely off grid.

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-10-2024 10:59 AM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

More nonsense in a world of nonsense. Typical engineering stuff.

Its what you should expect in a Capitalistic world when you start talking FREE energy.

Remember, FREE is to Capitalism as TRUTH is to Fascism.

No surprises here from the reality side or the nonsense side.

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-06-2024 08:43 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Okay been seeing these articles pop up all over lately about the oversupply of solar, that are causing fears of actually frying the existing grid. So we began investigating this phenomena to see what is actually going on? 

Australia struggling with oversupply of solar power--

Okay Alex Wonhas, the chief executive of battery developer AMPYR and a former executive at the Australian Energy Market Operator, said the problem was a physical one. Dr Wonhas said traditional sources of generation such as coal- and gas-fired plants, as well as electricity, provide the services that make the grid resilient and help it ride through shocks. These include inertia, the physical property that makes balancing a moving bicycle easier than a stationary one, and "system strength", which helps maintain the heartbeat of the grid. By contrast, Dr Wonhas said wind turbines, solar panels and batteries did not typically provide such services. The result, he said, was a grid that could be left dangerously short of resilience when minimum demand fell too low. In other words, when too many conventional generators were squeezed out of the system. 

"The minimum demand problem typically happens in the middle of the day on weekend days when you have a lot of solar output but maybe not a lot of demand,"

Dr Wonhas said, 

Full Article Here

Can there be such a thing as too much sun? According to Australia, yes. With over 650,000 solar-paneled homes, the country's power grid strains under a surplus of solar energy.

Nationals Senator Matt Canavan claims solar power can't provide "stability" in Australia's electricity system. His remarks come after Energy Minister Chris Bowen continues to defend the solar power grid and is resisting calls to introduce nuclear energy. "I've never been against solar power, the Coalition is not against renewables, but you can have too much of a good thing," Mr Canavan said. "You need to have a balance in any system and the problem we have in our system is there is too much solar power in the middle of the day."

Australia is grappling with too much solar power as renewable growth outpaces grid capacity-

To Much Solar?

 We would like to open this discussion with some more ideas?

" We proposed that as each region encounters this very problem that a " Global Power Grid " might become the solution as the light side could transfer excess solar electricity to the, Dark Side,  vice versa.  That might border on some Star Wars nostalgia but with the advent of the current Drone Wars, might just be suited for our particular SUN/EARTH situation right here in our own galaxy, that is not so far, far away. " 

Global Solar Grid

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D
------------------------------

Didn't ask for, or need definitions of the relevant equipment. 

BTW: Most inverters today are transformeless for cost reduction and weight reduction.

Charge controllers are irrelevant on the load side.

And yes, everyone loves efficiency, except those who can make money on inefficiency. 

All inductive loads (Motors, large inductors) have a current "hit" which can cause voltage drops that can cause inverters to drop out. 

Even plugging in an EV to level II charger can cause an inverter to drop. Once in a great while when I plug in my Chevy Bolt in my garage, it will cause the 11.77KW grid tie inverter to drop right next to it. Then it will sit for the mandatory 5 minutes before engaging the grid. That is 1/12 of the PV hourly capacity lost on a sunny day, which is roughly 1KWH. Now, do I loose sleep over losing 1KWH production? No. But it still irritates me. 

Anyway, I digress. 

As I mentioned in my original post, Off-grid works for some/few for any number of reasons. But when something goes wrong at 3AM in the morning in Winter on a Sunday (Which it will), you won't be getting an automatic phone call telling you when service will be restored, when you did not even notice it was out.

ITS ALL ON YOU!!

As for:

"Bill,  household appliances and electronics are becoming so energy efficient that solar roofs, and  envelopes coupled with even moderate storage can meet load demands now months in advance of the sun which throws the lag for overcast days out the window."

Months in advance regarding storage! That is "fantasy land" except for maybe a single person living in a place where the temp is always 70 DegF and just basically sleeps at home, in a one room row house.

Now, does that person exist? Sure. With 8 Billion people someone somewhere will "fit the bill".

But, are they anywhere near the "Norm"? No. I use roughly 50-70KWH's a day, family of 4 all EV's etc.. I am basically net zero for everything and basically all electric. For me to be off-grid especially through Winter with the associated seasonal variation, I would need somewhere near 500KWH's of storage, and that does not even deal with large inductive loads or similar loads like EV charging, electric oven and electric dryer.

PS: An still no max EROI on the panels for off grid. Translates to less panel efficiency over all......

And to speak some hard core truth which sales and marketing types hate, newer is not always better. Different is not always better.

------------------------------
William fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-12-2024 10:47 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Okay Bill, to your point. Lets get into the nuts and bolts of the crops you have raised?

 " Remember LED lighting products produce light up to 90% more efficiently than incandescent light bulbs and that just happened a few Yesturday's ago so just imagine what a few Tomorrow's hold in store just beyond thoughtechs forbidden door. " 

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-12-2024 09:45 AM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Those are nice sentiments, but they have NOTHING to do with the specific points I raised...

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-12-2024 08:28 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Bill,  household appliances and electronics are becoming so energy efficient that solar roofs, and  envelopes coupled with even moderate storage can meet load demands now months in advance of the sun which throws the lag for overcast days out the window. As this new generation of kids get a grasp on this technology,  we are expecting an enormous surge towards off grid living where people are desiring a more minimalist lifestyle within pristine environments all about our beautiful planet.  The exodus from these nasty urban catastrophes will accelerate so rapidly that  even the so called urbanite renaissance, "  The Man " will be forced to tag along as well..

Australia's housing industry is locked in a war of two fronts, fighting challenges in both affordability and sustainability. The housing crisis has continued to dominate headlines into 2024, with skyrocketing home prices and rents making it increasingly difficult for regular Aussies to find somewhere to live.

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-12-2024 07:34 AM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Well yes. It is in the old vernacular the ultimate way to give the finger to "the man". I don't need "you" for my energy. I will take my toys and go home!! ....lol...

And yes there are cases where it makes $$$ sense, especially if you are a long distance from a grid connect, and all the connection costs would be on you. Can get very expensive.

The problem with always off-grid is you can not gen more than you use. So max EROI of the PV is not achieved. And inverter tech is far less forgiving of peak surges than standard pole transformers. Transformers can take a beating. Inverters not so much. Its just different Physics. Inverters are digital if you wish. Transformers are analog, to use a possible audiophile comparison.

But yes, there is always someone out there who will eat just about anything, though not the norm...

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-12-2024 07:09 AM
From: Joe Schiller
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Original Message:
Sent: 12/12/2024 8:32:00 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: RE: Solar Oversupply?

In the very near future solar energy technologies will advance to become so darn efficient along with super storage capabilities that 100% off grid homes and businesses will become common place all around the world. The grid will still be around yet mostly microgrids that will be powered by billions of solar homes, and EVs everywhere that will be able to choose rather they sell power to feed the community grids or not depending on situation as each and every human being upon this planet becomes a producer instead of a consumer as the energy paradigm contunues to shift.

Meanwhile back to the here and now *

In the end, the Tesla 100 watt Lithium-ion battery was installed at the Hornsdale Power Reserve, well within the promised 100 days. With a capacity of 129 megawatt hours, it was the largest lithium-ion battery in the world at the time. It was so effective that several companies have started investing in power storage development as well. Soon, consumers might be able to store their own energy instead of relying on the country's power grid.

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-11-2024 12:29 PM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Not really a fan of off grid for many reasons. Off grid capable, yes. Off grid as normal day to day, no.

Tiny houses are fine for certain people. Not for others. I was just trying to visualize where I would put my 3 workshops in that trailer, for starters. They are good for people who only sleep, eat and collect stamps, and do everything else somewhere else.

And then there is the climate factor and resilience in long duration environmental disasters, etc..

But works for some......

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-10-2024 11:47 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Bill we agree, " NON-Sence " Just basically  means that something doesn't make a lot of sense, and you are right the poor planning and foresight that went into these enterprizes are well below the already established mark in many other countries like Germany for instance. Common- Sense would dictate better even with current solar technologies, but at least we are now seeing a massive push towards totally off grid homes that are totally fed up with this bull crap and rightly so.. Remember *

 Freedom and Truth go hand in hand for it is written,

"  And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

Trouble is as the say to see a truly free individual scares the hell out of most people because mainly they have not educated themselves enough to handle the truth, but nevertheless as Fox Mulder would say, " The Truth Is Out There! " 

Here Here!  

Designed and built by the talented team at ample, Stella is a uniquely Victorian mobile tiny home built using salvaged and repurposed material from an original farm shack. A three kilowatt solar system, 4000 liter water tank and her own septic storage system make Stella completely off grid.

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-10-2024 10:59 AM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

More nonsense in a world of nonsense. Typical engineering stuff.

Its what you should expect in a Capitalistic world when you start talking FREE energy.

Remember, FREE is to Capitalism as TRUTH is to Fascism.

No surprises here from the reality side or the nonsense side.

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-06-2024 08:43 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Okay been seeing these articles pop up all over lately about the oversupply of solar, that are causing fears of actually frying the existing grid. So we began investigating this phenomena to see what is actually going on? 

Australia struggling with oversupply of solar power--

Okay Alex Wonhas, the chief executive of battery developer AMPYR and a former executive at the Australian Energy Market Operator, said the problem was a physical one. Dr Wonhas said traditional sources of generation such as coal- and gas-fired plants, as well as electricity, provide the services that make the grid resilient and help it ride through shocks. These include inertia, the physical property that makes balancing a moving bicycle easier than a stationary one, and "system strength", which helps maintain the heartbeat of the grid. By contrast, Dr Wonhas said wind turbines, solar panels and batteries did not typically provide such services. The result, he said, was a grid that could be left dangerously short of resilience when minimum demand fell too low. In other words, when too many conventional generators were squeezed out of the system. 

"The minimum demand problem typically happens in the middle of the day on weekend days when you have a lot of solar output but maybe not a lot of demand,"

Dr Wonhas said, 

Full Article Here

Can there be such a thing as too much sun? According to Australia, yes. With over 650,000 solar-paneled homes, the country's power grid strains under a surplus of solar energy.

Nationals Senator Matt Canavan claims solar power can't provide "stability" in Australia's electricity system. His remarks come after Energy Minister Chris Bowen continues to defend the solar power grid and is resisting calls to introduce nuclear energy. "I've never been against solar power, the Coalition is not against renewables, but you can have too much of a good thing," Mr Canavan said. "You need to have a balance in any system and the problem we have in our system is there is too much solar power in the middle of the day."

Australia is grappling with too much solar power as renewable growth outpaces grid capacity-

To Much Solar?

 We would like to open this discussion with some more ideas?

" We proposed that as each region encounters this very problem that a " Global Power Grid " might become the solution as the light side could transfer excess solar electricity to the, Dark Side,  vice versa.  That might border on some Star Wars nostalgia but with the advent of the current Drone Wars, might just be suited for our particular SUN/EARTH situation right here in our own galaxy, that is not so far, far away. " 

Global Solar Grid

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D
------------------------------

The next generation of solar practitioners will have a whole different mindset. Bill these kids are reinventing themselves, their homes and their cars. The high on the hog living of our times are not even on their radar..Old energy hog appliances, and homes went the way of wastelands of past worlds forever. We have to think way outside the box just to begin to keep up.. Bill maybe a bit of downsizing will better suit your arrangements in between time happy Friday the 13th...

Didn't ask for, or need definitions of the relevant equipment. 

BTW: Most inverters today are transformeless for cost reduction and weight reduction.

Charge controllers are irrelevant on the load side.

And yes, everyone loves efficiency, except those who can make money on inefficiency. 

All inductive loads (Motors, large inductors) have a current "hit" which can cause voltage drops that can cause inverters to drop out. 

Even plugging in an EV to level II charger can cause an inverter to drop. Once in a great while when I plug in my Chevy Bolt in my garage, it will cause the 11.77KW grid tie inverter to drop right next to it. Then it will sit for the mandatory 5 minutes before engaging the grid. That is 1/12 of the PV hourly capacity lost on a sunny day, which is roughly 1KWH. Now, do I loose sleep over losing 1KWH production? No. But it still irritates me. 

Anyway, I digress. 

As I mentioned in my original post, Off-grid works for some/few for any number of reasons. But when something goes wrong at 3AM in the morning in Winter on a Sunday (Which it will), you won't be getting an automatic phone call telling you when service will be restored, when you did not even notice it was out.

ITS ALL ON YOU!!

As for:

"Bill,  household appliances and electronics are becoming so energy efficient that solar roofs, and  envelopes coupled with even moderate storage can meet load demands now months in advance of the sun which throws the lag for overcast days out the window."

Months in advance regarding storage! That is "fantasy land" except for maybe a single person living in a place where the temp is always 70 DegF and just basically sleeps at home, in a one room row house.

Now, does that person exist? Sure. With 8 Billion people someone somewhere will "fit the bill".

But, are they anywhere near the "Norm"? No. I use roughly 50-70KWH's a day, family of 4 all EV's etc.. I am basically net zero for everything and basically all electric. For me to be off-grid especially through Winter with the associated seasonal variation, I would need somewhere near 500KWH's of storage, and that does not even deal with large inductive loads or similar loads like EV charging, electric oven and electric dryer.

PS: An still no max EROI on the panels for off grid. Translates to less panel efficiency over all......

And to speak some hard core truth which sales and marketing types hate, newer is not always better. Different is not always better.

------------------------------
William fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-12-2024 10:47 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Okay Bill, to your point. Lets get into the nuts and bolts of the crops you have raised?

 " Remember LED lighting products produce light up to 90% more efficiently than incandescent light bulbs and that just happened a few Yesturday's ago so just imagine what a few Tomorrow's hold in store just beyond thoughtechs forbidden door. " 

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-12-2024 09:45 AM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Those are nice sentiments, but they have NOTHING to do with the specific points I raised...

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-12-2024 08:28 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Bill,  household appliances and electronics are becoming so energy efficient that solar roofs, and  envelopes coupled with even moderate storage can meet load demands now months in advance of the sun which throws the lag for overcast days out the window. As this new generation of kids get a grasp on this technology,  we are expecting an enormous surge towards off grid living where people are desiring a more minimalist lifestyle within pristine environments all about our beautiful planet.  The exodus from these nasty urban catastrophes will accelerate so rapidly that  even the so called urbanite renaissance, "  The Man " will be forced to tag along as well..

Australia's housing industry is locked in a war of two fronts, fighting challenges in both affordability and sustainability. The housing crisis has continued to dominate headlines into 2024, with skyrocketing home prices and rents making it increasingly difficult for regular Aussies to find somewhere to live.

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-12-2024 07:34 AM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Well yes. It is in the old vernacular the ultimate way to give the finger to "the man". I don't need "you" for my energy. I will take my toys and go home!! ....lol...

And yes there are cases where it makes $$$ sense, especially if you are a long distance from a grid connect, and all the connection costs would be on you. Can get very expensive.

The problem with always off-grid is you can not gen more than you use. So max EROI of the PV is not achieved. And inverter tech is far less forgiving of peak surges than standard pole transformers. Transformers can take a beating. Inverters not so much. Its just different Physics. Inverters are digital if you wish. Transformers are analog, to use a possible audiophile comparison.

But yes, there is always someone out there who will eat just about anything, though not the norm...

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-12-2024 07:09 AM
From: Joe Schiller
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Original Message:
Sent: 12/12/2024 8:32:00 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: RE: Solar Oversupply?

In the very near future solar energy technologies will advance to become so darn efficient along with super storage capabilities that 100% off grid homes and businesses will become common place all around the world. The grid will still be around yet mostly microgrids that will be powered by billions of solar homes, and EVs everywhere that will be able to choose rather they sell power to feed the community grids or not depending on situation as each and every human being upon this planet becomes a producer instead of a consumer as the energy paradigm contunues to shift.

Meanwhile back to the here and now *

In the end, the Tesla 100 watt Lithium-ion battery was installed at the Hornsdale Power Reserve, well within the promised 100 days. With a capacity of 129 megawatt hours, it was the largest lithium-ion battery in the world at the time. It was so effective that several companies have started investing in power storage development as well. Soon, consumers might be able to store their own energy instead of relying on the country's power grid.

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-11-2024 12:29 PM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Not really a fan of off grid for many reasons. Off grid capable, yes. Off grid as normal day to day, no.

Tiny houses are fine for certain people. Not for others. I was just trying to visualize where I would put my 3 workshops in that trailer, for starters. They are good for people who only sleep, eat and collect stamps, and do everything else somewhere else.

And then there is the climate factor and resilience in long duration environmental disasters, etc..

But works for some......

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-10-2024 11:47 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Bill we agree, " NON-Sence " Just basically  means that something doesn't make a lot of sense, and you are right the poor planning and foresight that went into these enterprizes are well below the already established mark in many other countries like Germany for instance. Common- Sense would dictate better even with current solar technologies, but at least we are now seeing a massive push towards totally off grid homes that are totally fed up with this bull crap and rightly so.. Remember *

 Freedom and Truth go hand in hand for it is written,

"  And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

Trouble is as the say to see a truly free individual scares the hell out of most people because mainly they have not educated themselves enough to handle the truth, but nevertheless as Fox Mulder would say, " The Truth Is Out There! " 

Here Here!  

Designed and built by the talented team at ample, Stella is a uniquely Victorian mobile tiny home built using salvaged and repurposed material from an original farm shack. A three kilowatt solar system, 4000 liter water tank and her own septic storage system make Stella completely off grid.

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-10-2024 10:59 AM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

More nonsense in a world of nonsense. Typical engineering stuff.

Its what you should expect in a Capitalistic world when you start talking FREE energy.

Remember, FREE is to Capitalism as TRUTH is to Fascism.

No surprises here from the reality side or the nonsense side.

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-06-2024 08:43 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Okay been seeing these articles pop up all over lately about the oversupply of solar, that are causing fears of actually frying the existing grid. So we began investigating this phenomena to see what is actually going on? 

Australia struggling with oversupply of solar power--

Okay Alex Wonhas, the chief executive of battery developer AMPYR and a former executive at the Australian Energy Market Operator, said the problem was a physical one. Dr Wonhas said traditional sources of generation such as coal- and gas-fired plants, as well as electricity, provide the services that make the grid resilient and help it ride through shocks. These include inertia, the physical property that makes balancing a moving bicycle easier than a stationary one, and "system strength", which helps maintain the heartbeat of the grid. By contrast, Dr Wonhas said wind turbines, solar panels and batteries did not typically provide such services. The result, he said, was a grid that could be left dangerously short of resilience when minimum demand fell too low. In other words, when too many conventional generators were squeezed out of the system. 

"The minimum demand problem typically happens in the middle of the day on weekend days when you have a lot of solar output but maybe not a lot of demand,"

Dr Wonhas said, 

Full Article Here

Can there be such a thing as too much sun? According to Australia, yes. With over 650,000 solar-paneled homes, the country's power grid strains under a surplus of solar energy.

Nationals Senator Matt Canavan claims solar power can't provide "stability" in Australia's electricity system. His remarks come after Energy Minister Chris Bowen continues to defend the solar power grid and is resisting calls to introduce nuclear energy. "I've never been against solar power, the Coalition is not against renewables, but you can have too much of a good thing," Mr Canavan said. "You need to have a balance in any system and the problem we have in our system is there is too much solar power in the middle of the day."

Australia is grappling with too much solar power as renewable growth outpaces grid capacity-

To Much Solar?

 We would like to open this discussion with some more ideas?

" We proposed that as each region encounters this very problem that a " Global Power Grid " might become the solution as the light side could transfer excess solar electricity to the, Dark Side,  vice versa.  That might border on some Star Wars nostalgia but with the advent of the current Drone Wars, might just be suited for our particular SUN/EARTH situation right here in our own galaxy, that is not so far, far away. " 

Global Solar Grid

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D
------------------------------

LOL... What ever(s) your on....God bless you.....lol....

I guess I will just have to stop charging my energy hog EV's....

Keep burning that White Coal.....

.....EOL

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-13-2024 01:32 PM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

The next generation of solar practitioners will have a whole different mindset. Bill these kids are reinventing themselves, their homes and their cars. The high on the hog living of our times are not even on their radar..Old energy hog appliances, and homes went the way of wastelands of past worlds forever. We have to think way outside the box just to begin to keep up.. Bill maybe a bit of downsizing will better suit your arrangements in between time happy Friday the 13th...

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-13-2024 10:52 AM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Didn't ask for, or need definitions of the relevant equipment. 

BTW: Most inverters today are transformeless for cost reduction and weight reduction.

Charge controllers are irrelevant on the load side.

And yes, everyone loves efficiency, except those who can make money on inefficiency. 

All inductive loads (Motors, large inductors) have a current "hit" which can cause voltage drops that can cause inverters to drop out. 

Even plugging in an EV to level II charger can cause an inverter to drop. Once in a great while when I plug in my Chevy Bolt in my garage, it will cause the 11.77KW grid tie inverter to drop right next to it. Then it will sit for the mandatory 5 minutes before engaging the grid. That is 1/12 of the PV hourly capacity lost on a sunny day, which is roughly 1KWH. Now, do I loose sleep over losing 1KWH production? No. But it still irritates me. 

Anyway, I digress. 

As I mentioned in my original post, Off-grid works for some/few for any number of reasons. But when something goes wrong at 3AM in the morning in Winter on a Sunday (Which it will), you won't be getting an automatic phone call telling you when service will be restored, when you did not even notice it was out.

ITS ALL ON YOU!!

As for:

"Bill,  household appliances and electronics are becoming so energy efficient that solar roofs, and  envelopes coupled with even moderate storage can meet load demands now months in advance of the sun which throws the lag for overcast days out the window."

Months in advance regarding storage! That is "fantasy land" except for maybe a single person living in a place where the temp is always 70 DegF and just basically sleeps at home, in a one room row house.

Now, does that person exist? Sure. With 8 Billion people someone somewhere will "fit the bill".

But, are they anywhere near the "Norm"? No. I use roughly 50-70KWH's a day, family of 4 all EV's etc.. I am basically net zero for everything and basically all electric. For me to be off-grid especially through Winter with the associated seasonal variation, I would need somewhere near 500KWH's of storage, and that does not even deal with large inductive loads or similar loads like EV charging, electric oven and electric dryer.

PS: An still no max EROI on the panels for off grid. Translates to less panel efficiency over all......

And to speak some hard core truth which sales and marketing types hate, newer is not always better. Different is not always better.

------------------------------
William fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-12-2024 10:47 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Okay Bill, to your point. Lets get into the nuts and bolts of the crops you have raised?

 " Remember LED lighting products produce light up to 90% more efficiently than incandescent light bulbs and that just happened a few Yesturday's ago so just imagine what a few Tomorrow's hold in store just beyond thoughtechs forbidden door. " 

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-12-2024 09:45 AM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Those are nice sentiments, but they have NOTHING to do with the specific points I raised...

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-12-2024 08:28 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Bill,  household appliances and electronics are becoming so energy efficient that solar roofs, and  envelopes coupled with even moderate storage can meet load demands now months in advance of the sun which throws the lag for overcast days out the window. As this new generation of kids get a grasp on this technology,  we are expecting an enormous surge towards off grid living where people are desiring a more minimalist lifestyle within pristine environments all about our beautiful planet.  The exodus from these nasty urban catastrophes will accelerate so rapidly that  even the so called urbanite renaissance, "  The Man " will be forced to tag along as well..

Australia's housing industry is locked in a war of two fronts, fighting challenges in both affordability and sustainability. The housing crisis has continued to dominate headlines into 2024, with skyrocketing home prices and rents making it increasingly difficult for regular Aussies to find somewhere to live.

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-12-2024 07:34 AM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Well yes. It is in the old vernacular the ultimate way to give the finger to "the man". I don't need "you" for my energy. I will take my toys and go home!! ....lol...

And yes there are cases where it makes $$$ sense, especially if you are a long distance from a grid connect, and all the connection costs would be on you. Can get very expensive.

The problem with always off-grid is you can not gen more than you use. So max EROI of the PV is not achieved. And inverter tech is far less forgiving of peak surges than standard pole transformers. Transformers can take a beating. Inverters not so much. Its just different Physics. Inverters are digital if you wish. Transformers are analog, to use a possible audiophile comparison.

But yes, there is always someone out there who will eat just about anything, though not the norm...

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-12-2024 07:09 AM
From: Joe Schiller
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Original Message:
Sent: 12/12/2024 8:32:00 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: RE: Solar Oversupply?

In the very near future solar energy technologies will advance to become so darn efficient along with super storage capabilities that 100% off grid homes and businesses will become common place all around the world. The grid will still be around yet mostly microgrids that will be powered by billions of solar homes, and EVs everywhere that will be able to choose rather they sell power to feed the community grids or not depending on situation as each and every human being upon this planet becomes a producer instead of a consumer as the energy paradigm contunues to shift.

Meanwhile back to the here and now *

In the end, the Tesla 100 watt Lithium-ion battery was installed at the Hornsdale Power Reserve, well within the promised 100 days. With a capacity of 129 megawatt hours, it was the largest lithium-ion battery in the world at the time. It was so effective that several companies have started investing in power storage development as well. Soon, consumers might be able to store their own energy instead of relying on the country's power grid.

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-11-2024 12:29 PM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Not really a fan of off grid for many reasons. Off grid capable, yes. Off grid as normal day to day, no.

Tiny houses are fine for certain people. Not for others. I was just trying to visualize where I would put my 3 workshops in that trailer, for starters. They are good for people who only sleep, eat and collect stamps, and do everything else somewhere else.

And then there is the climate factor and resilience in long duration environmental disasters, etc..

But works for some......

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-10-2024 11:47 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Bill we agree, " NON-Sence " Just basically  means that something doesn't make a lot of sense, and you are right the poor planning and foresight that went into these enterprizes are well below the already established mark in many other countries like Germany for instance. Common- Sense would dictate better even with current solar technologies, but at least we are now seeing a massive push towards totally off grid homes that are totally fed up with this bull crap and rightly so.. Remember *

 Freedom and Truth go hand in hand for it is written,

"  And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

Trouble is as the say to see a truly free individual scares the hell out of most people because mainly they have not educated themselves enough to handle the truth, but nevertheless as Fox Mulder would say, " The Truth Is Out There! " 

Here Here!  

Designed and built by the talented team at ample, Stella is a uniquely Victorian mobile tiny home built using salvaged and repurposed material from an original farm shack. A three kilowatt solar system, 4000 liter water tank and her own septic storage system make Stella completely off grid.

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-10-2024 10:59 AM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

More nonsense in a world of nonsense. Typical engineering stuff.

Its what you should expect in a Capitalistic world when you start talking FREE energy.

Remember, FREE is to Capitalism as TRUTH is to Fascism.

No surprises here from the reality side or the nonsense side.

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-06-2024 08:43 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Okay been seeing these articles pop up all over lately about the oversupply of solar, that are causing fears of actually frying the existing grid. So we began investigating this phenomena to see what is actually going on? 

Australia struggling with oversupply of solar power--

Okay Alex Wonhas, the chief executive of battery developer AMPYR and a former executive at the Australian Energy Market Operator, said the problem was a physical one. Dr Wonhas said traditional sources of generation such as coal- and gas-fired plants, as well as electricity, provide the services that make the grid resilient and help it ride through shocks. These include inertia, the physical property that makes balancing a moving bicycle easier than a stationary one, and "system strength", which helps maintain the heartbeat of the grid. By contrast, Dr Wonhas said wind turbines, solar panels and batteries did not typically provide such services. The result, he said, was a grid that could be left dangerously short of resilience when minimum demand fell too low. In other words, when too many conventional generators were squeezed out of the system. 

"The minimum demand problem typically happens in the middle of the day on weekend days when you have a lot of solar output but maybe not a lot of demand,"

Dr Wonhas said, 

Full Article Here

Can there be such a thing as too much sun? According to Australia, yes. With over 650,000 solar-paneled homes, the country's power grid strains under a surplus of solar energy.

Nationals Senator Matt Canavan claims solar power can't provide "stability" in Australia's electricity system. His remarks come after Energy Minister Chris Bowen continues to defend the solar power grid and is resisting calls to introduce nuclear energy. "I've never been against solar power, the Coalition is not against renewables, but you can have too much of a good thing," Mr Canavan said. "You need to have a balance in any system and the problem we have in our system is there is too much solar power in the middle of the day."

Australia is grappling with too much solar power as renewable growth outpaces grid capacity-

To Much Solar?

 We would like to open this discussion with some more ideas?

" We proposed that as each region encounters this very problem that a " Global Power Grid " might become the solution as the light side could transfer excess solar electricity to the, Dark Side,  vice versa.  That might border on some Star Wars nostalgia but with the advent of the current Drone Wars, might just be suited for our particular SUN/EARTH situation right here in our own galaxy, that is not so far, far away. " 

Global Solar Grid

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D
------------------------------

LOL... What ever(s) your on....God bless you.....lol....

I guess I will just have to stop charging my energy hog EV's....

Keep burning that White Coal.....

.....EOL

The next generation of solar practitioners will have a whole different mindset. Bill these kids are reinventing themselves, their homes and their cars. The high on the hog living of our times are not even on their radar..Old energy hog appliances, and homes went the way of wastelands of past worlds forever. We have to think way outside the box just to begin to keep up.. Bill maybe a bit of downsizing will better suit your arrangements in between time happy Friday the 13th...

Didn't ask for, or need definitions of the relevant equipment. 

BTW: Most inverters today are transformeless for cost reduction and weight reduction.

Charge controllers are irrelevant on the load side.

And yes, everyone loves efficiency, except those who can make money on inefficiency. 

All inductive loads (Motors, large inductors) have a current "hit" which can cause voltage drops that can cause inverters to drop out. 

Even plugging in an EV to level II charger can cause an inverter to drop. Once in a great while when I plug in my Chevy Bolt in my garage, it will cause the 11.77KW grid tie inverter to drop right next to it. Then it will sit for the mandatory 5 minutes before engaging the grid. That is 1/12 of the PV hourly capacity lost on a sunny day, which is roughly 1KWH. Now, do I loose sleep over losing 1KWH production? No. But it still irritates me. 

Anyway, I digress. 

As I mentioned in my original post, Off-grid works for some/few for any number of reasons. But when something goes wrong at 3AM in the morning in Winter on a Sunday (Which it will), you won't be getting an automatic phone call telling you when service will be restored, when you did not even notice it was out.

ITS ALL ON YOU!!

As for:

"Bill,  household appliances and electronics are becoming so energy efficient that solar roofs, and  envelopes coupled with even moderate storage can meet load demands now months in advance of the sun which throws the lag for overcast days out the window."

Months in advance regarding storage! That is "fantasy land" except for maybe a single person living in a place where the temp is always 70 DegF and just basically sleeps at home, in a one room row house.

Now, does that person exist? Sure. With 8 Billion people someone somewhere will "fit the bill".

But, are they anywhere near the "Norm"? No. I use roughly 50-70KWH's a day, family of 4 all EV's etc.. I am basically net zero for everything and basically all electric. For me to be off-grid especially through Winter with the associated seasonal variation, I would need somewhere near 500KWH's of storage, and that does not even deal with large inductive loads or similar loads like EV charging, electric oven and electric dryer.

PS: An still no max EROI on the panels for off grid. Translates to less panel efficiency over all......

And to speak some hard core truth which sales and marketing types hate, newer is not always better. Different is not always better.

------------------------------
William fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-12-2024 10:47 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Okay Bill, to your point. Lets get into the nuts and bolts of the crops you have raised?

 " Remember LED lighting products produce light up to 90% more efficiently than incandescent light bulbs and that just happened a few Yesturday's ago so just imagine what a few Tomorrow's hold in store just beyond thoughtechs forbidden door. " 

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-12-2024 09:45 AM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Those are nice sentiments, but they have NOTHING to do with the specific points I raised...

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-12-2024 08:28 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Bill,  household appliances and electronics are becoming so energy efficient that solar roofs, and  envelopes coupled with even moderate storage can meet load demands now months in advance of the sun which throws the lag for overcast days out the window. As this new generation of kids get a grasp on this technology,  we are expecting an enormous surge towards off grid living where people are desiring a more minimalist lifestyle within pristine environments all about our beautiful planet.  The exodus from these nasty urban catastrophes will accelerate so rapidly that  even the so called urbanite renaissance, "  The Man " will be forced to tag along as well..

Australia's housing industry is locked in a war of two fronts, fighting challenges in both affordability and sustainability. The housing crisis has continued to dominate headlines into 2024, with skyrocketing home prices and rents making it increasingly difficult for regular Aussies to find somewhere to live.

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-12-2024 07:34 AM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Well yes. It is in the old vernacular the ultimate way to give the finger to "the man". I don't need "you" for my energy. I will take my toys and go home!! ....lol...

And yes there are cases where it makes $$$ sense, especially if you are a long distance from a grid connect, and all the connection costs would be on you. Can get very expensive.

The problem with always off-grid is you can not gen more than you use. So max EROI of the PV is not achieved. And inverter tech is far less forgiving of peak surges than standard pole transformers. Transformers can take a beating. Inverters not so much. Its just different Physics. Inverters are digital if you wish. Transformers are analog, to use a possible audiophile comparison.

But yes, there is always someone out there who will eat just about anything, though not the norm...

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-12-2024 07:09 AM
From: Joe Schiller
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Original Message:
Sent: 12/12/2024 8:32:00 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: RE: Solar Oversupply?

In the very near future solar energy technologies will advance to become so darn efficient along with super storage capabilities that 100% off grid homes and businesses will become common place all around the world. The grid will still be around yet mostly microgrids that will be powered by billions of solar homes, and EVs everywhere that will be able to choose rather they sell power to feed the community grids or not depending on situation as each and every human being upon this planet becomes a producer instead of a consumer as the energy paradigm contunues to shift.

Meanwhile back to the here and now *

In the end, the Tesla 100 watt Lithium-ion battery was installed at the Hornsdale Power Reserve, well within the promised 100 days. With a capacity of 129 megawatt hours, it was the largest lithium-ion battery in the world at the time. It was so effective that several companies have started investing in power storage development as well. Soon, consumers might be able to store their own energy instead of relying on the country's power grid.

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-11-2024 12:29 PM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Not really a fan of off grid for many reasons. Off grid capable, yes. Off grid as normal day to day, no.

Tiny houses are fine for certain people. Not for others. I was just trying to visualize where I would put my 3 workshops in that trailer, for starters. They are good for people who only sleep, eat and collect stamps, and do everything else somewhere else.

And then there is the climate factor and resilience in long duration environmental disasters, etc..

But works for some......

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-10-2024 11:47 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Bill we agree, " NON-Sence " Just basically  means that something doesn't make a lot of sense, and you are right the poor planning and foresight that went into these enterprizes are well below the already established mark in many other countries like Germany for instance. Common- Sense would dictate better even with current solar technologies, but at least we are now seeing a massive push towards totally off grid homes that are totally fed up with this bull crap and rightly so.. Remember *

 Freedom and Truth go hand in hand for it is written,

"  And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

Trouble is as the say to see a truly free individual scares the hell out of most people because mainly they have not educated themselves enough to handle the truth, but nevertheless as Fox Mulder would say, " The Truth Is Out There! " 

Here Here!  

Designed and built by the talented team at ample, Stella is a uniquely Victorian mobile tiny home built using salvaged and repurposed material from an original farm shack. A three kilowatt solar system, 4000 liter water tank and her own septic storage system make Stella completely off grid.

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-10-2024 10:59 AM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

More nonsense in a world of nonsense. Typical engineering stuff.

Its what you should expect in a Capitalistic world when you start talking FREE energy.

Remember, FREE is to Capitalism as TRUTH is to Fascism.

No surprises here from the reality side or the nonsense side.

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-06-2024 08:43 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Okay been seeing these articles pop up all over lately about the oversupply of solar, that are causing fears of actually frying the existing grid. So we began investigating this phenomena to see what is actually going on? 

Australia struggling with oversupply of solar power--

Okay Alex Wonhas, the chief executive of battery developer AMPYR and a former executive at the Australian Energy Market Operator, said the problem was a physical one. Dr Wonhas said traditional sources of generation such as coal- and gas-fired plants, as well as electricity, provide the services that make the grid resilient and help it ride through shocks. These include inertia, the physical property that makes balancing a moving bicycle easier than a stationary one, and "system strength", which helps maintain the heartbeat of the grid. By contrast, Dr Wonhas said wind turbines, solar panels and batteries did not typically provide such services. The result, he said, was a grid that could be left dangerously short of resilience when minimum demand fell too low. In other words, when too many conventional generators were squeezed out of the system. 

"The minimum demand problem typically happens in the middle of the day on weekend days when you have a lot of solar output but maybe not a lot of demand,"

Dr Wonhas said, 

Full Article Here

Can there be such a thing as too much sun? According to Australia, yes. With over 650,000 solar-paneled homes, the country's power grid strains under a surplus of solar energy.

Nationals Senator Matt Canavan claims solar power can't provide "stability" in Australia's electricity system. His remarks come after Energy Minister Chris Bowen continues to defend the solar power grid and is resisting calls to introduce nuclear energy. "I've never been against solar power, the Coalition is not against renewables, but you can have too much of a good thing," Mr Canavan said. "You need to have a balance in any system and the problem we have in our system is there is too much solar power in the middle of the day."

Australia is grappling with too much solar power as renewable growth outpaces grid capacity-

To Much Solar?

 We would like to open this discussion with some more ideas?

" We proposed that as each region encounters this very problem that a " Global Power Grid " might become the solution as the light side could transfer excess solar electricity to the, Dark Side,  vice versa.  That might border on some Star Wars nostalgia but with the advent of the current Drone Wars, might just be suited for our particular SUN/EARTH situation right here in our own galaxy, that is not so far, far away. " 

Global Solar Grid

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D
------------------------------

I would add the following reason to William's list that OFF-GRID is suboptimal:

Once your batteries are fully charged, your extra kW are just disappearing into the void. Helping the AI-distressed grid is something that grid-tied can help with, especially if storage is included. And that makes it better for all ratepayers.

 I feel great about my solar powering the homes of my neighbors, and the most resilient future grid will be a distributed energy network - especially if we can get paid for using our batteries during peak. I'm all ears for hearing about successful Virtual Power Plants owned by thousands of families that keep the gas peaker plants off-line and spread the wealth of the sun to more people.

Because Virtual means "unreal" to so many people, I see a movement to recast VPP's as Distributed Energy Plants!

Here's a quick primer with deep links to learn more: https://www.peoplesenergycoop.com/index.php/virtual-power-plants/

Andrew Stone, President

NM People's Energy Cooperative

https://PeoplesEnergyCoop.com

Together A Just Energy Transition

¡Sí, hablo Español!

Original Message:
Sent: 12/13/2024 5:46:00 PM
From: william fitch
Subject: RE: Solar Oversupply?

LOL... What ever(s) your on....God bless you.....lol....

I guess I will just have to stop charging my energy hog EV's....

Keep burning that White Coal.....

.....EOL

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-13-2024 01:32 PM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

The next generation of solar practitioners will have a whole different mindset. Bill these kids are reinventing themselves, their homes and their cars. The high on the hog living of our times are not even on their radar..Old energy hog appliances, and homes went the way of wastelands of past worlds forever. We have to think way outside the box just to begin to keep up.. Bill maybe a bit of downsizing will better suit your arrangements in between time happy Friday the 13th...

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-13-2024 10:52 AM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Didn't ask for, or need definitions of the relevant equipment. 

BTW: Most inverters today are transformeless for cost reduction and weight reduction.

Charge controllers are irrelevant on the load side.

And yes, everyone loves efficiency, except those who can make money on inefficiency. 

All inductive loads (Motors, large inductors) have a current "hit" which can cause voltage drops that can cause inverters to drop out. 

Even plugging in an EV to level II charger can cause an inverter to drop. Once in a great while when I plug in my Chevy Bolt in my garage, it will cause the 11.77KW grid tie inverter to drop right next to it. Then it will sit for the mandatory 5 minutes before engaging the grid. That is 1/12 of the PV hourly capacity lost on a sunny day, which is roughly 1KWH. Now, do I loose sleep over losing 1KWH production? No. But it still irritates me. 

Anyway, I digress. 

As I mentioned in my original post, Off-grid works for some/few for any number of reasons. But when something goes wrong at 3AM in the morning in Winter on a Sunday (Which it will), you won't be getting an automatic phone call telling you when service will be restored, when you did not even notice it was out.

ITS ALL ON YOU!!

As for:

"Bill,  household appliances and electronics are becoming so energy efficient that solar roofs, and  envelopes coupled with even moderate storage can meet load demands now months in advance of the sun which throws the lag for overcast days out the window."

Months in advance regarding storage! That is "fantasy land" except for maybe a single person living in a place where the temp is always 70 DegF and just basically sleeps at home, in a one room row house.

Now, does that person exist? Sure. With 8 Billion people someone somewhere will "fit the bill".

But, are they anywhere near the "Norm"? No. I use roughly 50-70KWH's a day, family of 4 all EV's etc.. I am basically net zero for everything and basically all electric. For me to be off-grid especially through Winter with the associated seasonal variation, I would need somewhere near 500KWH's of storage, and that does not even deal with large inductive loads or similar loads like EV charging, electric oven and electric dryer.

PS: An still no max EROI on the panels for off grid. Translates to less panel efficiency over all......

And to speak some hard core truth which sales and marketing types hate, newer is not always better. Different is not always better.

------------------------------
William fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-12-2024 10:47 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Okay Bill, to your point. Lets get into the nuts and bolts of the crops you have raised?

 " Remember LED lighting products produce light up to 90% more efficiently than incandescent light bulbs and that just happened a few Yesturday's ago so just imagine what a few Tomorrow's hold in store just beyond thoughtechs forbidden door. " 

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-12-2024 09:45 AM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Those are nice sentiments, but they have NOTHING to do with the specific points I raised...

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-12-2024 08:28 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Bill,  household appliances and electronics are becoming so energy efficient that solar roofs, and  envelopes coupled with even moderate storage can meet load demands now months in advance of the sun which throws the lag for overcast days out the window. As this new generation of kids get a grasp on this technology,  we are expecting an enormous surge towards off grid living where people are desiring a more minimalist lifestyle within pristine environments all about our beautiful planet.  The exodus from these nasty urban catastrophes will accelerate so rapidly that  even the so called urbanite renaissance, "  The Man " will be forced to tag along as well..

Australia's housing industry is locked in a war of two fronts, fighting challenges in both affordability and sustainability. The housing crisis has continued to dominate headlines into 2024, with skyrocketing home prices and rents making it increasingly difficult for regular Aussies to find somewhere to live.

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-12-2024 07:34 AM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Well yes. It is in the old vernacular the ultimate way to give the finger to "the man". I don't need "you" for my energy. I will take my toys and go home!! ....lol...

And yes there are cases where it makes $$$ sense, especially if you are a long distance from a grid connect, and all the connection costs would be on you. Can get very expensive.

The problem with always off-grid is you can not gen more than you use. So max EROI of the PV is not achieved. And inverter tech is far less forgiving of peak surges than standard pole transformers. Transformers can take a beating. Inverters not so much. Its just different Physics. Inverters are digital if you wish. Transformers are analog, to use a possible audiophile comparison.

But yes, there is always someone out there who will eat just about anything, though not the norm...

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-12-2024 07:09 AM
From: Joe Schiller
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Original Message:
Sent: 12/12/2024 8:32:00 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: RE: Solar Oversupply?

In the very near future solar energy technologies will advance to become so darn efficient along with super storage capabilities that 100% off grid homes and businesses will become common place all around the world. The grid will still be around yet mostly microgrids that will be powered by billions of solar homes, and EVs everywhere that will be able to choose rather they sell power to feed the community grids or not depending on situation as each and every human being upon this planet becomes a producer instead of a consumer as the energy paradigm contunues to shift.

Meanwhile back to the here and now *

In the end, the Tesla 100 watt Lithium-ion battery was installed at the Hornsdale Power Reserve, well within the promised 100 days. With a capacity of 129 megawatt hours, it was the largest lithium-ion battery in the world at the time. It was so effective that several companies have started investing in power storage development as well. Soon, consumers might be able to store their own energy instead of relying on the country's power grid.

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-11-2024 12:29 PM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Not really a fan of off grid for many reasons. Off grid capable, yes. Off grid as normal day to day, no.

Tiny houses are fine for certain people. Not for others. I was just trying to visualize where I would put my 3 workshops in that trailer, for starters. They are good for people who only sleep, eat and collect stamps, and do everything else somewhere else.

And then there is the climate factor and resilience in long duration environmental disasters, etc..

But works for some......

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-10-2024 11:47 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Bill we agree, " NON-Sence " Just basically  means that something doesn't make a lot of sense, and you are right the poor planning and foresight that went into these enterprizes are well below the already established mark in many other countries like Germany for instance. Common- Sense would dictate better even with current solar technologies, but at least we are now seeing a massive push towards totally off grid homes that are totally fed up with this bull crap and rightly so.. Remember *

 Freedom and Truth go hand in hand for it is written,

"  And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

Trouble is as the say to see a truly free individual scares the hell out of most people because mainly they have not educated themselves enough to handle the truth, but nevertheless as Fox Mulder would say, " The Truth Is Out There! " 

Here Here!  

Designed and built by the talented team at ample, Stella is a uniquely Victorian mobile tiny home built using salvaged and repurposed material from an original farm shack. A three kilowatt solar system, 4000 liter water tank and her own septic storage system make Stella completely off grid.

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-10-2024 10:59 AM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

More nonsense in a world of nonsense. Typical engineering stuff.

Its what you should expect in a Capitalistic world when you start talking FREE energy.

Remember, FREE is to Capitalism as TRUTH is to Fascism.

No surprises here from the reality side or the nonsense side.

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-06-2024 08:43 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Okay been seeing these articles pop up all over lately about the oversupply of solar, that are causing fears of actually frying the existing grid. So we began investigating this phenomena to see what is actually going on? 

Australia struggling with oversupply of solar power--

Okay Alex Wonhas, the chief executive of battery developer AMPYR and a former executive at the Australian Energy Market Operator, said the problem was a physical one. Dr Wonhas said traditional sources of generation such as coal- and gas-fired plants, as well as electricity, provide the services that make the grid resilient and help it ride through shocks. These include inertia, the physical property that makes balancing a moving bicycle easier than a stationary one, and "system strength", which helps maintain the heartbeat of the grid. By contrast, Dr Wonhas said wind turbines, solar panels and batteries did not typically provide such services. The result, he said, was a grid that could be left dangerously short of resilience when minimum demand fell too low. In other words, when too many conventional generators were squeezed out of the system. 

"The minimum demand problem typically happens in the middle of the day on weekend days when you have a lot of solar output but maybe not a lot of demand,"

Dr Wonhas said, 

Full Article Here

Can there be such a thing as too much sun? According to Australia, yes. With over 650,000 solar-paneled homes, the country's power grid strains under a surplus of solar energy.

Nationals Senator Matt Canavan claims solar power can't provide "stability" in Australia's electricity system. His remarks come after Energy Minister Chris Bowen continues to defend the solar power grid and is resisting calls to introduce nuclear energy. "I've never been against solar power, the Coalition is not against renewables, but you can have too much of a good thing," Mr Canavan said. "You need to have a balance in any system and the problem we have in our system is there is too much solar power in the middle of the day."

Australia is grappling with too much solar power as renewable growth outpaces grid capacity-

To Much Solar?

 We would like to open this discussion with some more ideas?

" We proposed that as each region encounters this very problem that a " Global Power Grid " might become the solution as the light side could transfer excess solar electricity to the, Dark Side,  vice versa.  That might border on some Star Wars nostalgia but with the advent of the current Drone Wars, might just be suited for our particular SUN/EARTH situation right here in our own galaxy, that is not so far, far away. "

Global Solar Grid

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D
------------------------------

Andrew every home and car on the planet could become a power plant, not Virtual   -  Actual  power plants.  Concepts such as Off Grid, Or On Grid will not even be used in these times as energy evolves into truly a wireless world. Off Grid/ On Grid is still all about, "  WIRES"  

Integrated solar will blend into construction so well that the solar will be virtually invisible. All the solar all around the planet will be connected, Wirelessly-  Into this future still yet unnamed network that for lack of a better expression will call the, Wait for it   (WLAN)  DoubleYou  Land   *  Modular Avatar One,  to Avatar Two "  Replicate "   All the Energy from the Sun (173 Peta Watts/Second ) Reaches the Earth, "  Wirelessly" 

Entering the electric era: will EV charging really go wireless?

 Running your home on wireless electricity refers to powering all the devices and appliances in your house using wireless power transfer technology, essentially eliminating the need for visible wires by transmitting electricity through electromagnetic fields, allowing devices to charge or operate without being directly plugged in, similar to how you charge your phone wirelessly on a charging pad, but on a larger scale for entire home appliances.  

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-16-2024 11:36 AM
From: Andrew Stone
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

I would add the following reason to William's list that OFF-GRID is suboptimal:

Once your batteries are fully charged, your extra kW are just disappearing into the void. Helping the AI-distressed grid is something that grid-tied can help with, especially if storage is included. And that makes it better for all ratepayers.

 I feel great about my solar powering the homes of my neighbors, and the most resilient future grid will be a distributed energy network - especially if we can get paid for using our batteries during peak. I'm all ears for hearing about successful Virtual Power Plants owned by thousands of families that keep the gas peaker plants off-line and spread the wealth of the sun to more people.

Because Virtual means "unreal" to so many people, I see a movement to recast VPP's as Distributed Energy Plants!

Here's a quick primer with deep links to learn more: https://www.peoplesenergycoop.com/index.php/virtual-power-plants/

Andrew Stone, President

NM People's Energy Cooperative

https://PeoplesEnergyCoop.com

Together A Just Energy Transition

¡Sí, hablo Español!

Original Message:
Sent: 12/13/2024 5:46:00 PM
From: william fitch
Subject: RE: Solar Oversupply?

LOL... What ever(s) your on....God bless you.....lol....

I guess I will just have to stop charging my energy hog EV's....

Keep burning that White Coal.....

.....EOL

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-13-2024 01:32 PM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

The next generation of solar practitioners will have a whole different mindset. Bill these kids are reinventing themselves, their homes and their cars. The high on the hog living of our times are not even on their radar..Old energy hog appliances, and homes went the way of wastelands of past worlds forever. We have to think way outside the box just to begin to keep up.. Bill maybe a bit of downsizing will better suit your arrangements in between time happy Friday the 13th...

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-13-2024 10:52 AM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Didn't ask for, or need definitions of the relevant equipment. 

BTW: Most inverters today are transformeless for cost reduction and weight reduction.

Charge controllers are irrelevant on the load side.

And yes, everyone loves efficiency, except those who can make money on inefficiency. 

All inductive loads (Motors, large inductors) have a current "hit" which can cause voltage drops that can cause inverters to drop out. 

Even plugging in an EV to level II charger can cause an inverter to drop. Once in a great while when I plug in my Chevy Bolt in my garage, it will cause the 11.77KW grid tie inverter to drop right next to it. Then it will sit for the mandatory 5 minutes before engaging the grid. That is 1/12 of the PV hourly capacity lost on a sunny day, which is roughly 1KWH. Now, do I loose sleep over losing 1KWH production? No. But it still irritates me. 

Anyway, I digress. 

As I mentioned in my original post, Off-grid works for some/few for any number of reasons. But when something goes wrong at 3AM in the morning in Winter on a Sunday (Which it will), you won't be getting an automatic phone call telling you when service will be restored, when you did not even notice it was out.

ITS ALL ON YOU!!

As for:

"Bill,  household appliances and electronics are becoming so energy efficient that solar roofs, and  envelopes coupled with even moderate storage can meet load demands now months in advance of the sun which throws the lag for overcast days out the window."

Months in advance regarding storage! That is "fantasy land" except for maybe a single person living in a place where the temp is always 70 DegF and just basically sleeps at home, in a one room row house.

Now, does that person exist? Sure. With 8 Billion people someone somewhere will "fit the bill".

But, are they anywhere near the "Norm"? No. I use roughly 50-70KWH's a day, family of 4 all EV's etc.. I am basically net zero for everything and basically all electric. For me to be off-grid especially through Winter with the associated seasonal variation, I would need somewhere near 500KWH's of storage, and that does not even deal with large inductive loads or similar loads like EV charging, electric oven and electric dryer.

PS: An still no max EROI on the panels for off grid. Translates to less panel efficiency over all......

And to speak some hard core truth which sales and marketing types hate, newer is not always better. Different is not always better.

------------------------------
William fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-12-2024 10:47 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Okay Bill, to your point. Lets get into the nuts and bolts of the crops you have raised?

 " Remember LED lighting products produce light up to 90% more efficiently than incandescent light bulbs and that just happened a few Yesturday's ago so just imagine what a few Tomorrow's hold in store just beyond thoughtechs forbidden door. " 

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-12-2024 09:45 AM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Those are nice sentiments, but they have NOTHING to do with the specific points I raised...

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-12-2024 08:28 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Bill,  household appliances and electronics are becoming so energy efficient that solar roofs, and  envelopes coupled with even moderate storage can meet load demands now months in advance of the sun which throws the lag for overcast days out the window. As this new generation of kids get a grasp on this technology,  we are expecting an enormous surge towards off grid living where people are desiring a more minimalist lifestyle within pristine environments all about our beautiful planet.  The exodus from these nasty urban catastrophes will accelerate so rapidly that  even the so called urbanite renaissance, "  The Man " will be forced to tag along as well..

Australia's housing industry is locked in a war of two fronts, fighting challenges in both affordability and sustainability. The housing crisis has continued to dominate headlines into 2024, with skyrocketing home prices and rents making it increasingly difficult for regular Aussies to find somewhere to live.

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-12-2024 07:34 AM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Well yes. It is in the old vernacular the ultimate way to give the finger to "the man". I don't need "you" for my energy. I will take my toys and go home!! ....lol...

And yes there are cases where it makes $$$ sense, especially if you are a long distance from a grid connect, and all the connection costs would be on you. Can get very expensive.

The problem with always off-grid is you can not gen more than you use. So max EROI of the PV is not achieved. And inverter tech is far less forgiving of peak surges than standard pole transformers. Transformers can take a beating. Inverters not so much. Its just different Physics. Inverters are digital if you wish. Transformers are analog, to use a possible audiophile comparison.

But yes, there is always someone out there who will eat just about anything, though not the norm...

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-12-2024 07:09 AM
From: Joe Schiller
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Original Message:
Sent: 12/12/2024 8:32:00 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: RE: Solar Oversupply?

In the very near future solar energy technologies will advance to become so darn efficient along with super storage capabilities that 100% off grid homes and businesses will become common place all around the world. The grid will still be around yet mostly microgrids that will be powered by billions of solar homes, and EVs everywhere that will be able to choose rather they sell power to feed the community grids or not depending on situation as each and every human being upon this planet becomes a producer instead of a consumer as the energy paradigm contunues to shift.

Meanwhile back to the here and now *

In the end, the Tesla 100 watt Lithium-ion battery was installed at the Hornsdale Power Reserve, well within the promised 100 days. With a capacity of 129 megawatt hours, it was the largest lithium-ion battery in the world at the time. It was so effective that several companies have started investing in power storage development as well. Soon, consumers might be able to store their own energy instead of relying on the country's power grid.

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-11-2024 12:29 PM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Not really a fan of off grid for many reasons. Off grid capable, yes. Off grid as normal day to day, no.

Tiny houses are fine for certain people. Not for others. I was just trying to visualize where I would put my 3 workshops in that trailer, for starters. They are good for people who only sleep, eat and collect stamps, and do everything else somewhere else.

And then there is the climate factor and resilience in long duration environmental disasters, etc..

But works for some......

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-10-2024 11:47 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Bill we agree, " NON-Sence " Just basically  means that something doesn't make a lot of sense, and you are right the poor planning and foresight that went into these enterprizes are well below the already established mark in many other countries like Germany for instance. Common- Sense would dictate better even with current solar technologies, but at least we are now seeing a massive push towards totally off grid homes that are totally fed up with this bull crap and rightly so.. Remember *

 Freedom and Truth go hand in hand for it is written,

"  And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

Trouble is as the say to see a truly free individual scares the hell out of most people because mainly they have not educated themselves enough to handle the truth, but nevertheless as Fox Mulder would say, " The Truth Is Out There! " 

Here Here!  

Designed and built by the talented team at ample, Stella is a uniquely Victorian mobile tiny home built using salvaged and repurposed material from an original farm shack. A three kilowatt solar system, 4000 liter water tank and her own septic storage system make Stella completely off grid.

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-10-2024 10:59 AM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

More nonsense in a world of nonsense. Typical engineering stuff.

Its what you should expect in a Capitalistic world when you start talking FREE energy.

Remember, FREE is to Capitalism as TRUTH is to Fascism.

No surprises here from the reality side or the nonsense side.

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-06-2024 08:43 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Okay been seeing these articles pop up all over lately about the oversupply of solar, that are causing fears of actually frying the existing grid. So we began investigating this phenomena to see what is actually going on? 

Australia struggling with oversupply of solar power--

Okay Alex Wonhas, the chief executive of battery developer AMPYR and a former executive at the Australian Energy Market Operator, said the problem was a physical one. Dr Wonhas said traditional sources of generation such as coal- and gas-fired plants, as well as electricity, provide the services that make the grid resilient and help it ride through shocks. These include inertia, the physical property that makes balancing a moving bicycle easier than a stationary one, and "system strength", which helps maintain the heartbeat of the grid. By contrast, Dr Wonhas said wind turbines, solar panels and batteries did not typically provide such services. The result, he said, was a grid that could be left dangerously short of resilience when minimum demand fell too low. In other words, when too many conventional generators were squeezed out of the system. 

"The minimum demand problem typically happens in the middle of the day on weekend days when you have a lot of solar output but maybe not a lot of demand,"

Dr Wonhas said, 

Full Article Here

Can there be such a thing as too much sun? According to Australia, yes. With over 650,000 solar-paneled homes, the country's power grid strains under a surplus of solar energy.

Nationals Senator Matt Canavan claims solar power can't provide "stability" in Australia's electricity system. His remarks come after Energy Minister Chris Bowen continues to defend the solar power grid and is resisting calls to introduce nuclear energy. "I've never been against solar power, the Coalition is not against renewables, but you can have too much of a good thing," Mr Canavan said. "You need to have a balance in any system and the problem we have in our system is there is too much solar power in the middle of the day."

Australia is grappling with too much solar power as renewable growth outpaces grid capacity-

To Much Solar?

 We would like to open this discussion with some more ideas?

" We proposed that as each region encounters this very problem that a " Global Power Grid " might become the solution as the light side could transfer excess solar electricity to the, Dark Side,  vice versa.  That might border on some Star Wars nostalgia but with the advent of the current Drone Wars, might just be suited for our particular SUN/EARTH situation right here in our own galaxy, that is not so far, far away. "

Global Solar Grid

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D
------------------------------

Hate to burst your bubble, but WLAN is already taken a LONG time ago.

As for everything wireless (Converted to microwave) is absurd. The EMR would be so thick you could walk on it.

Another fairy tail, and an Evil one at that. Cancer for all, anyone....

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-18-2024 02:20 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Andrew every home and car on the planet could become a power plant, not Virtual   -  Actual  power plants.  Concepts such as Off Grid, Or On Grid will not even be used in these times as energy evolves into truly a wireless world. Off Grid/ On Grid is still all about, "  WIRES"  

Integrated solar will blend into construction so well that the solar will be virtually invisible. All the solar all around the planet will be connected, Wirelessly-  Into this future still yet unnamed network that for lack of a better expression will call the, Wait for it   (WLAN)  DoubleYou  Land   *  Modular Avatar One,  to Avatar Two "  Replicate "   All the Energy from the Sun (173 Peta Watts/Second ) Reaches the Earth, "  Wirelessly" 

Entering the electric era: will EV charging really go wireless?

 Running your home on wireless electricity refers to powering all the devices and appliances in your house using wireless power transfer technology, essentially eliminating the need for visible wires by transmitting electricity through electromagnetic fields, allowing devices to charge or operate without being directly plugged in, similar to how you charge your phone wirelessly on a charging pad, but on a larger scale for entire home appliances.  

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-16-2024 11:36 AM
From: Andrew Stone
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

I would add the following reason to William's list that OFF-GRID is suboptimal:

Once your batteries are fully charged, your extra kW are just disappearing into the void. Helping the AI-distressed grid is something that grid-tied can help with, especially if storage is included. And that makes it better for all ratepayers.

 I feel great about my solar powering the homes of my neighbors, and the most resilient future grid will be a distributed energy network - especially if we can get paid for using our batteries during peak. I'm all ears for hearing about successful Virtual Power Plants owned by thousands of families that keep the gas peaker plants off-line and spread the wealth of the sun to more people.

Because Virtual means "unreal" to so many people, I see a movement to recast VPP's as Distributed Energy Plants!

Here's a quick primer with deep links to learn more: https://www.peoplesenergycoop.com/index.php/virtual-power-plants/

Andrew Stone, President

NM People's Energy Cooperative

https://PeoplesEnergyCoop.com

Together A Just Energy Transition

¡Sí, hablo Español!

Original Message:
Sent: 12/13/2024 5:46:00 PM
From: william fitch
Subject: RE: Solar Oversupply?

LOL... What ever(s) your on....God bless you.....lol....

I guess I will just have to stop charging my energy hog EV's....

Keep burning that White Coal.....

.....EOL

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-13-2024 01:32 PM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

The next generation of solar practitioners will have a whole different mindset. Bill these kids are reinventing themselves, their homes and their cars. The high on the hog living of our times are not even on their radar..Old energy hog appliances, and homes went the way of wastelands of past worlds forever. We have to think way outside the box just to begin to keep up.. Bill maybe a bit of downsizing will better suit your arrangements in between time happy Friday the 13th...

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-13-2024 10:52 AM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Didn't ask for, or need definitions of the relevant equipment. 

BTW: Most inverters today are transformeless for cost reduction and weight reduction.

Charge controllers are irrelevant on the load side.

And yes, everyone loves efficiency, except those who can make money on inefficiency. 

All inductive loads (Motors, large inductors) have a current "hit" which can cause voltage drops that can cause inverters to drop out. 

Even plugging in an EV to level II charger can cause an inverter to drop. Once in a great while when I plug in my Chevy Bolt in my garage, it will cause the 11.77KW grid tie inverter to drop right next to it. Then it will sit for the mandatory 5 minutes before engaging the grid. That is 1/12 of the PV hourly capacity lost on a sunny day, which is roughly 1KWH. Now, do I loose sleep over losing 1KWH production? No. But it still irritates me. 

Anyway, I digress. 

As I mentioned in my original post, Off-grid works for some/few for any number of reasons. But when something goes wrong at 3AM in the morning in Winter on a Sunday (Which it will), you won't be getting an automatic phone call telling you when service will be restored, when you did not even notice it was out.

ITS ALL ON YOU!!

As for:

"Bill,  household appliances and electronics are becoming so energy efficient that solar roofs, and  envelopes coupled with even moderate storage can meet load demands now months in advance of the sun which throws the lag for overcast days out the window."

Months in advance regarding storage! That is "fantasy land" except for maybe a single person living in a place where the temp is always 70 DegF and just basically sleeps at home, in a one room row house.

Now, does that person exist? Sure. With 8 Billion people someone somewhere will "fit the bill".

But, are they anywhere near the "Norm"? No. I use roughly 50-70KWH's a day, family of 4 all EV's etc.. I am basically net zero for everything and basically all electric. For me to be off-grid especially through Winter with the associated seasonal variation, I would need somewhere near 500KWH's of storage, and that does not even deal with large inductive loads or similar loads like EV charging, electric oven and electric dryer.

PS: An still no max EROI on the panels for off grid. Translates to less panel efficiency over all......

And to speak some hard core truth which sales and marketing types hate, newer is not always better. Different is not always better.

------------------------------
William fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-12-2024 10:47 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Okay Bill, to your point. Lets get into the nuts and bolts of the crops you have raised?

 " Remember LED lighting products produce light up to 90% more efficiently than incandescent light bulbs and that just happened a few Yesturday's ago so just imagine what a few Tomorrow's hold in store just beyond thoughtechs forbidden door. " 

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-12-2024 09:45 AM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Those are nice sentiments, but they have NOTHING to do with the specific points I raised...

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-12-2024 08:28 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Bill,  household appliances and electronics are becoming so energy efficient that solar roofs, and  envelopes coupled with even moderate storage can meet load demands now months in advance of the sun which throws the lag for overcast days out the window. As this new generation of kids get a grasp on this technology,  we are expecting an enormous surge towards off grid living where people are desiring a more minimalist lifestyle within pristine environments all about our beautiful planet.  The exodus from these nasty urban catastrophes will accelerate so rapidly that  even the so called urbanite renaissance, "  The Man " will be forced to tag along as well..

Australia's housing industry is locked in a war of two fronts, fighting challenges in both affordability and sustainability. The housing crisis has continued to dominate headlines into 2024, with skyrocketing home prices and rents making it increasingly difficult for regular Aussies to find somewhere to live.

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-12-2024 07:34 AM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Well yes. It is in the old vernacular the ultimate way to give the finger to "the man". I don't need "you" for my energy. I will take my toys and go home!! ....lol...

And yes there are cases where it makes $$$ sense, especially if you are a long distance from a grid connect, and all the connection costs would be on you. Can get very expensive.

The problem with always off-grid is you can not gen more than you use. So max EROI of the PV is not achieved. And inverter tech is far less forgiving of peak surges than standard pole transformers. Transformers can take a beating. Inverters not so much. Its just different Physics. Inverters are digital if you wish. Transformers are analog, to use a possible audiophile comparison.

But yes, there is always someone out there who will eat just about anything, though not the norm...

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-12-2024 07:09 AM
From: Joe Schiller
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Original Message:
Sent: 12/12/2024 8:32:00 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: RE: Solar Oversupply?

In the very near future solar energy technologies will advance to become so darn efficient along with super storage capabilities that 100% off grid homes and businesses will become common place all around the world. The grid will still be around yet mostly microgrids that will be powered by billions of solar homes, and EVs everywhere that will be able to choose rather they sell power to feed the community grids or not depending on situation as each and every human being upon this planet becomes a producer instead of a consumer as the energy paradigm contunues to shift.

Meanwhile back to the here and now *

In the end, the Tesla 100 watt Lithium-ion battery was installed at the Hornsdale Power Reserve, well within the promised 100 days. With a capacity of 129 megawatt hours, it was the largest lithium-ion battery in the world at the time. It was so effective that several companies have started investing in power storage development as well. Soon, consumers might be able to store their own energy instead of relying on the country's power grid.

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-11-2024 12:29 PM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Not really a fan of off grid for many reasons. Off grid capable, yes. Off grid as normal day to day, no.

Tiny houses are fine for certain people. Not for others. I was just trying to visualize where I would put my 3 workshops in that trailer, for starters. They are good for people who only sleep, eat and collect stamps, and do everything else somewhere else.

And then there is the climate factor and resilience in long duration environmental disasters, etc..

But works for some......

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-10-2024 11:47 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Bill we agree, " NON-Sence " Just basically  means that something doesn't make a lot of sense, and you are right the poor planning and foresight that went into these enterprizes are well below the already established mark in many other countries like Germany for instance. Common- Sense would dictate better even with current solar technologies, but at least we are now seeing a massive push towards totally off grid homes that are totally fed up with this bull crap and rightly so.. Remember *

 Freedom and Truth go hand in hand for it is written,

"  And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

Trouble is as the say to see a truly free individual scares the hell out of most people because mainly they have not educated themselves enough to handle the truth, but nevertheless as Fox Mulder would say, " The Truth Is Out There! " 

Here Here!  

Designed and built by the talented team at ample, Stella is a uniquely Victorian mobile tiny home built using salvaged and repurposed material from an original farm shack. A three kilowatt solar system, 4000 liter water tank and her own septic storage system make Stella completely off grid.

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-10-2024 10:59 AM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

More nonsense in a world of nonsense. Typical engineering stuff.

Its what you should expect in a Capitalistic world when you start talking FREE energy.

Remember, FREE is to Capitalism as TRUTH is to Fascism.

No surprises here from the reality side or the nonsense side.

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-06-2024 08:43 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Okay been seeing these articles pop up all over lately about the oversupply of solar, that are causing fears of actually frying the existing grid. So we began investigating this phenomena to see what is actually going on? 

Australia struggling with oversupply of solar power--

Okay Alex Wonhas, the chief executive of battery developer AMPYR and a former executive at the Australian Energy Market Operator, said the problem was a physical one. Dr Wonhas said traditional sources of generation such as coal- and gas-fired plants, as well as electricity, provide the services that make the grid resilient and help it ride through shocks. These include inertia, the physical property that makes balancing a moving bicycle easier than a stationary one, and "system strength", which helps maintain the heartbeat of the grid. By contrast, Dr Wonhas said wind turbines, solar panels and batteries did not typically provide such services. The result, he said, was a grid that could be left dangerously short of resilience when minimum demand fell too low. In other words, when too many conventional generators were squeezed out of the system. 

"The minimum demand problem typically happens in the middle of the day on weekend days when you have a lot of solar output but maybe not a lot of demand,"

Dr Wonhas said, 

Full Article Here

Can there be such a thing as too much sun? According to Australia, yes. With over 650,000 solar-paneled homes, the country's power grid strains under a surplus of solar energy.

Nationals Senator Matt Canavan claims solar power can't provide "stability" in Australia's electricity system. His remarks come after Energy Minister Chris Bowen continues to defend the solar power grid and is resisting calls to introduce nuclear energy. "I've never been against solar power, the Coalition is not against renewables, but you can have too much of a good thing," Mr Canavan said. "You need to have a balance in any system and the problem we have in our system is there is too much solar power in the middle of the day."

Australia is grappling with too much solar power as renewable growth outpaces grid capacity-

To Much Solar?

 We would like to open this discussion with some more ideas?

" We proposed that as each region encounters this very problem that a " Global Power Grid " might become the solution as the light side could transfer excess solar electricity to the, Dark Side,  vice versa.  That might border on some Star Wars nostalgia but with the advent of the current Drone Wars, might just be suited for our particular SUN/EARTH situation right here in our own galaxy, that is not so far, far away. "

Global Solar Grid

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D
------------------------------

Sunlight, cigarettes and junk food been proven causes cancer, not to mention all the other crap that people do that is very unhealthy.  But yet these devices/vices can be created to exist within so called " Healthy" levels, as almost every home already has a microwave oven of which many humans cook the very food they consume with these microwaves, and cell towers hanging over their heads, ( Average Rural Cell Tower broadcast is 500 watts, 100 watts Urban, per channel with average 395 voice channels, as well as 21 data channels)   and cell phones in their hands.( According to the FCC, the average cell phone radiation, measured by  the Specific Absorption Rate (SAR), is capped at 1.6 watts per kilogram of body tissue,  which is considered the legal limit for safe exposure in the United States. ) Evil could also be interpreted as 1.4 billion vehicles with internal combustion engines driving a planet to extinction but that might hit way to close to home. ( WLAN)      Ha - Yah  Bill see you can take a joke.. LOL  - Non-ionizing, but nevertheless the evolution of language. Bill, We are not trying to create any patents here, just gestures for conversation some call it,  " Brainstorming "   Our bubble cant be busted Bill, well at least not here,  We hope not, cause it is the bubble that surrounds Our whole planet called,  Atmos-  " Sphere!  " 

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-18-2024 11:56 AM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Hate to burst your bubble, but WLAN is already taken a LONG time ago.

As for everything wireless (Converted to microwave) is absurd. The EMR would be so thick you could walk on it.

Another fairy tail, and an Evil one at that. Cancer for all, anyone....

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-18-2024 02:20 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Andrew every home and car on the planet could become a power plant, not Virtual   -  Actual  power plants.  Concepts such as Off Grid, Or On Grid will not even be used in these times as energy evolves into truly a wireless world. Off Grid/ On Grid is still all about, "  WIRES"  

Integrated solar will blend into construction so well that the solar will be virtually invisible. All the solar all around the planet will be connected, Wirelessly-  Into this future still yet unnamed network that for lack of a better expression will call the, Wait for it   (WLAN)  DoubleYou  Land   *  Modular Avatar One,  to Avatar Two "  Replicate "   All the Energy from the Sun (173 Peta Watts/Second ) Reaches the Earth, "  Wirelessly" 

Entering the electric era: will EV charging really go wireless?

 Running your home on wireless electricity refers to powering all the devices and appliances in your house using wireless power transfer technology, essentially eliminating the need for visible wires by transmitting electricity through electromagnetic fields, allowing devices to charge or operate without being directly plugged in, similar to how you charge your phone wirelessly on a charging pad, but on a larger scale for entire home appliances.  

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-16-2024 11:36 AM
From: Andrew Stone
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

I would add the following reason to William's list that OFF-GRID is suboptimal:

Once your batteries are fully charged, your extra kW are just disappearing into the void. Helping the AI-distressed grid is something that grid-tied can help with, especially if storage is included. And that makes it better for all ratepayers.

 I feel great about my solar powering the homes of my neighbors, and the most resilient future grid will be a distributed energy network - especially if we can get paid for using our batteries during peak. I'm all ears for hearing about successful Virtual Power Plants owned by thousands of families that keep the gas peaker plants off-line and spread the wealth of the sun to more people.

Because Virtual means "unreal" to so many people, I see a movement to recast VPP's as Distributed Energy Plants!

Here's a quick primer with deep links to learn more: https://www.peoplesenergycoop.com/index.php/virtual-power-plants/

Andrew Stone, President

NM People's Energy Cooperative

https://PeoplesEnergyCoop.com

Together A Just Energy Transition

¡Sí, hablo Español!

Original Message:
Sent: 12/13/2024 5:46:00 PM
From: william fitch
Subject: RE: Solar Oversupply?

LOL... What ever(s) your on....God bless you.....lol....

I guess I will just have to stop charging my energy hog EV's....

Keep burning that White Coal.....

.....EOL

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-13-2024 01:32 PM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

The next generation of solar practitioners will have a whole different mindset. Bill these kids are reinventing themselves, their homes and their cars. The high on the hog living of our times are not even on their radar..Old energy hog appliances, and homes went the way of wastelands of past worlds forever. We have to think way outside the box just to begin to keep up.. Bill maybe a bit of downsizing will better suit your arrangements in between time happy Friday the 13th...

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-13-2024 10:52 AM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Didn't ask for, or need definitions of the relevant equipment. 

BTW: Most inverters today are transformeless for cost reduction and weight reduction.

Charge controllers are irrelevant on the load side.

And yes, everyone loves efficiency, except those who can make money on inefficiency. 

All inductive loads (Motors, large inductors) have a current "hit" which can cause voltage drops that can cause inverters to drop out. 

Even plugging in an EV to level II charger can cause an inverter to drop. Once in a great while when I plug in my Chevy Bolt in my garage, it will cause the 11.77KW grid tie inverter to drop right next to it. Then it will sit for the mandatory 5 minutes before engaging the grid. That is 1/12 of the PV hourly capacity lost on a sunny day, which is roughly 1KWH. Now, do I loose sleep over losing 1KWH production? No. But it still irritates me. 

Anyway, I digress. 

As I mentioned in my original post, Off-grid works for some/few for any number of reasons. But when something goes wrong at 3AM in the morning in Winter on a Sunday (Which it will), you won't be getting an automatic phone call telling you when service will be restored, when you did not even notice it was out.

ITS ALL ON YOU!!

As for:

"Bill,  household appliances and electronics are becoming so energy efficient that solar roofs, and  envelopes coupled with even moderate storage can meet load demands now months in advance of the sun which throws the lag for overcast days out the window."

Months in advance regarding storage! That is "fantasy land" except for maybe a single person living in a place where the temp is always 70 DegF and just basically sleeps at home, in a one room row house.

Now, does that person exist? Sure. With 8 Billion people someone somewhere will "fit the bill".

But, are they anywhere near the "Norm"? No. I use roughly 50-70KWH's a day, family of 4 all EV's etc.. I am basically net zero for everything and basically all electric. For me to be off-grid especially through Winter with the associated seasonal variation, I would need somewhere near 500KWH's of storage, and that does not even deal with large inductive loads or similar loads like EV charging, electric oven and electric dryer.

PS: An still no max EROI on the panels for off grid. Translates to less panel efficiency over all......

And to speak some hard core truth which sales and marketing types hate, newer is not always better. Different is not always better.

------------------------------
William fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-12-2024 10:47 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Okay Bill, to your point. Lets get into the nuts and bolts of the crops you have raised?

 " Remember LED lighting products produce light up to 90% more efficiently than incandescent light bulbs and that just happened a few Yesturday's ago so just imagine what a few Tomorrow's hold in store just beyond thoughtechs forbidden door. " 

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-12-2024 09:45 AM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Those are nice sentiments, but they have NOTHING to do with the specific points I raised...

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-12-2024 08:28 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Bill,  household appliances and electronics are becoming so energy efficient that solar roofs, and  envelopes coupled with even moderate storage can meet load demands now months in advance of the sun which throws the lag for overcast days out the window. As this new generation of kids get a grasp on this technology,  we are expecting an enormous surge towards off grid living where people are desiring a more minimalist lifestyle within pristine environments all about our beautiful planet.  The exodus from these nasty urban catastrophes will accelerate so rapidly that  even the so called urbanite renaissance, "  The Man " will be forced to tag along as well..

Australia's housing industry is locked in a war of two fronts, fighting challenges in both affordability and sustainability. The housing crisis has continued to dominate headlines into 2024, with skyrocketing home prices and rents making it increasingly difficult for regular Aussies to find somewhere to live.

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-12-2024 07:34 AM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Well yes. It is in the old vernacular the ultimate way to give the finger to "the man". I don't need "you" for my energy. I will take my toys and go home!! ....lol...

And yes there are cases where it makes $$$ sense, especially if you are a long distance from a grid connect, and all the connection costs would be on you. Can get very expensive.

The problem with always off-grid is you can not gen more than you use. So max EROI of the PV is not achieved. And inverter tech is far less forgiving of peak surges than standard pole transformers. Transformers can take a beating. Inverters not so much. Its just different Physics. Inverters are digital if you wish. Transformers are analog, to use a possible audiophile comparison.

But yes, there is always someone out there who will eat just about anything, though not the norm...

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-12-2024 07:09 AM
From: Joe Schiller
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Original Message:
Sent: 12/12/2024 8:32:00 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: RE: Solar Oversupply?

In the very near future solar energy technologies will advance to become so darn efficient along with super storage capabilities that 100% off grid homes and businesses will become common place all around the world. The grid will still be around yet mostly microgrids that will be powered by billions of solar homes, and EVs everywhere that will be able to choose rather they sell power to feed the community grids or not depending on situation as each and every human being upon this planet becomes a producer instead of a consumer as the energy paradigm contunues to shift.

Meanwhile back to the here and now *

In the end, the Tesla 100 watt Lithium-ion battery was installed at the Hornsdale Power Reserve, well within the promised 100 days. With a capacity of 129 megawatt hours, it was the largest lithium-ion battery in the world at the time. It was so effective that several companies have started investing in power storage development as well. Soon, consumers might be able to store their own energy instead of relying on the country's power grid.

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-11-2024 12:29 PM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Not really a fan of off grid for many reasons. Off grid capable, yes. Off grid as normal day to day, no.

Tiny houses are fine for certain people. Not for others. I was just trying to visualize where I would put my 3 workshops in that trailer, for starters. They are good for people who only sleep, eat and collect stamps, and do everything else somewhere else.

And then there is the climate factor and resilience in long duration environmental disasters, etc..

But works for some......

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-10-2024 11:47 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Bill we agree, " NON-Sence " Just basically  means that something doesn't make a lot of sense, and you are right the poor planning and foresight that went into these enterprizes are well below the already established mark in many other countries like Germany for instance. Common- Sense would dictate better even with current solar technologies, but at least we are now seeing a massive push towards totally off grid homes that are totally fed up with this bull crap and rightly so.. Remember *

 Freedom and Truth go hand in hand for it is written,

"  And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

Trouble is as the say to see a truly free individual scares the hell out of most people because mainly they have not educated themselves enough to handle the truth, but nevertheless as Fox Mulder would say, " The Truth Is Out There! " 

Here Here!  

Designed and built by the talented team at ample, Stella is a uniquely Victorian mobile tiny home built using salvaged and repurposed material from an original farm shack. A three kilowatt solar system, 4000 liter water tank and her own septic storage system make Stella completely off grid.

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-10-2024 10:59 AM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

More nonsense in a world of nonsense. Typical engineering stuff.

Its what you should expect in a Capitalistic world when you start talking FREE energy.

Remember, FREE is to Capitalism as TRUTH is to Fascism.

No surprises here from the reality side or the nonsense side.

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-06-2024 08:43 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Okay been seeing these articles pop up all over lately about the oversupply of solar, that are causing fears of actually frying the existing grid. So we began investigating this phenomena to see what is actually going on? 

Australia struggling with oversupply of solar power--

Okay Alex Wonhas, the chief executive of battery developer AMPYR and a former executive at the Australian Energy Market Operator, said the problem was a physical one. Dr Wonhas said traditional sources of generation such as coal- and gas-fired plants, as well as electricity, provide the services that make the grid resilient and help it ride through shocks. These include inertia, the physical property that makes balancing a moving bicycle easier than a stationary one, and "system strength", which helps maintain the heartbeat of the grid. By contrast, Dr Wonhas said wind turbines, solar panels and batteries did not typically provide such services. The result, he said, was a grid that could be left dangerously short of resilience when minimum demand fell too low. In other words, when too many conventional generators were squeezed out of the system. 

"The minimum demand problem typically happens in the middle of the day on weekend days when you have a lot of solar output but maybe not a lot of demand,"

Dr Wonhas said, 

Full Article Here

Can there be such a thing as too much sun? According to Australia, yes. With over 650,000 solar-paneled homes, the country's power grid strains under a surplus of solar energy.

Nationals Senator Matt Canavan claims solar power can't provide "stability" in Australia's electricity system. His remarks come after Energy Minister Chris Bowen continues to defend the solar power grid and is resisting calls to introduce nuclear energy. "I've never been against solar power, the Coalition is not against renewables, but you can have too much of a good thing," Mr Canavan said. "You need to have a balance in any system and the problem we have in our system is there is too much solar power in the middle of the day."

Australia is grappling with too much solar power as renewable growth outpaces grid capacity-

To Much Solar?

 We would like to open this discussion with some more ideas?

" We proposed that as each region encounters this very problem that a " Global Power Grid " might become the solution as the light side could transfer excess solar electricity to the, Dark Side,  vice versa.  That might border on some Star Wars nostalgia but with the advent of the current Drone Wars, might just be suited for our particular SUN/EARTH situation right here in our own galaxy, that is not so far, far away. "

Global Solar Grid

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D
------------------------------

Hummmm. Maybe you were an LSD baby....lol...

BTW, radiation damage is cumulative. Like water, any amount gets you wet. The safe/not safe is just where humans decided to put a line. Lethality as  relates to frequency, with Gamma at 10**20-22 freq, the most lethal wave presenting radiation known to man, the Grim Reaper at the speed of light.

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-18-2024 12:17 PM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Sunlight, cigarettes and junk food been proven causes cancer, not to mention all the other crap that people do that is very unhealthy.  But yet these devices/vices can be created to exist within so called " Healthy" levels, as almost every home already has a microwave oven of which many humans cook the very food they consume with these microwaves, and cell towers hanging over their heads, ( Average Rural Cell Tower broadcast is 500 watts, 100 watts Urban, per channel with average 395 voice channels, as well as 21 data channels)   and cell phones in their hands.( According to the FCC, the average cell phone radiation, measured by  the Specific Absorption Rate (SAR), is capped at 1.6 watts per kilogram of body tissue,  which is considered the legal limit for safe exposure in the United States. ) Evil could also be interpreted as 1.4 billion vehicles with internal combustion engines driving a planet to extinction but that might hit way to close to home. ( WLAN)      Ha - Yah  Bill see you can take a joke.. LOL  - Non-ionizing, but nevertheless the evolution of language. Bill, We are not trying to create any patents here, just gestures for conversation some call it,  " Brainstorming "   Our bubble cant be busted Bill, well at least not here,  We hope not, cause it is the bubble that surrounds Our whole planet called,  Atmos-  " Sphere!  " 

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-18-2024 11:56 AM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Hate to burst your bubble, but WLAN is already taken a LONG time ago.

As for everything wireless (Converted to microwave) is absurd. The EMR would be so thick you could walk on it.

Another fairy tail, and an Evil one at that. Cancer for all, anyone....

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-18-2024 02:20 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Andrew every home and car on the planet could become a power plant, not Virtual   -  Actual  power plants.  Concepts such as Off Grid, Or On Grid will not even be used in these times as energy evolves into truly a wireless world. Off Grid/ On Grid is still all about, "  WIRES"  

Integrated solar will blend into construction so well that the solar will be virtually invisible. All the solar all around the planet will be connected, Wirelessly-  Into this future still yet unnamed network that for lack of a better expression will call the, Wait for it   (WLAN)  DoubleYou  Land   *  Modular Avatar One,  to Avatar Two "  Replicate "   All the Energy from the Sun (173 Peta Watts/Second ) Reaches the Earth, "  Wirelessly" 

Entering the electric era: will EV charging really go wireless?

 Running your home on wireless electricity refers to powering all the devices and appliances in your house using wireless power transfer technology, essentially eliminating the need for visible wires by transmitting electricity through electromagnetic fields, allowing devices to charge or operate without being directly plugged in, similar to how you charge your phone wirelessly on a charging pad, but on a larger scale for entire home appliances.  

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-16-2024 11:36 AM
From: Andrew Stone
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

I would add the following reason to William's list that OFF-GRID is suboptimal:

Once your batteries are fully charged, your extra kW are just disappearing into the void. Helping the AI-distressed grid is something that grid-tied can help with, especially if storage is included. And that makes it better for all ratepayers.

 I feel great about my solar powering the homes of my neighbors, and the most resilient future grid will be a distributed energy network - especially if we can get paid for using our batteries during peak. I'm all ears for hearing about successful Virtual Power Plants owned by thousands of families that keep the gas peaker plants off-line and spread the wealth of the sun to more people.

Because Virtual means "unreal" to so many people, I see a movement to recast VPP's as Distributed Energy Plants!

Here's a quick primer with deep links to learn more: https://www.peoplesenergycoop.com/index.php/virtual-power-plants/

Andrew Stone, President

NM People's Energy Cooperative

https://PeoplesEnergyCoop.com

Together A Just Energy Transition

¡Sí, hablo Español!

Original Message:
Sent: 12/13/2024 5:46:00 PM
From: william fitch
Subject: RE: Solar Oversupply?

LOL... What ever(s) your on....God bless you.....lol....

I guess I will just have to stop charging my energy hog EV's....

Keep burning that White Coal.....

.....EOL

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-13-2024 01:32 PM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

The next generation of solar practitioners will have a whole different mindset. Bill these kids are reinventing themselves, their homes and their cars. The high on the hog living of our times are not even on their radar..Old energy hog appliances, and homes went the way of wastelands of past worlds forever. We have to think way outside the box just to begin to keep up.. Bill maybe a bit of downsizing will better suit your arrangements in between time happy Friday the 13th...

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-13-2024 10:52 AM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Didn't ask for, or need definitions of the relevant equipment. 

BTW: Most inverters today are transformeless for cost reduction and weight reduction.

Charge controllers are irrelevant on the load side.

And yes, everyone loves efficiency, except those who can make money on inefficiency. 

All inductive loads (Motors, large inductors) have a current "hit" which can cause voltage drops that can cause inverters to drop out. 

Even plugging in an EV to level II charger can cause an inverter to drop. Once in a great while when I plug in my Chevy Bolt in my garage, it will cause the 11.77KW grid tie inverter to drop right next to it. Then it will sit for the mandatory 5 minutes before engaging the grid. That is 1/12 of the PV hourly capacity lost on a sunny day, which is roughly 1KWH. Now, do I loose sleep over losing 1KWH production? No. But it still irritates me. 

Anyway, I digress. 

As I mentioned in my original post, Off-grid works for some/few for any number of reasons. But when something goes wrong at 3AM in the morning in Winter on a Sunday (Which it will), you won't be getting an automatic phone call telling you when service will be restored, when you did not even notice it was out.

ITS ALL ON YOU!!

As for:

"Bill,  household appliances and electronics are becoming so energy efficient that solar roofs, and  envelopes coupled with even moderate storage can meet load demands now months in advance of the sun which throws the lag for overcast days out the window."

Months in advance regarding storage! That is "fantasy land" except for maybe a single person living in a place where the temp is always 70 DegF and just basically sleeps at home, in a one room row house.

Now, does that person exist? Sure. With 8 Billion people someone somewhere will "fit the bill".

But, are they anywhere near the "Norm"? No. I use roughly 50-70KWH's a day, family of 4 all EV's etc.. I am basically net zero for everything and basically all electric. For me to be off-grid especially through Winter with the associated seasonal variation, I would need somewhere near 500KWH's of storage, and that does not even deal with large inductive loads or similar loads like EV charging, electric oven and electric dryer.

PS: An still no max EROI on the panels for off grid. Translates to less panel efficiency over all......

And to speak some hard core truth which sales and marketing types hate, newer is not always better. Different is not always better.

------------------------------
William fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-12-2024 10:47 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Okay Bill, to your point. Lets get into the nuts and bolts of the crops you have raised?

 " Remember LED lighting products produce light up to 90% more efficiently than incandescent light bulbs and that just happened a few Yesturday's ago so just imagine what a few Tomorrow's hold in store just beyond thoughtechs forbidden door. " 

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-12-2024 09:45 AM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Those are nice sentiments, but they have NOTHING to do with the specific points I raised...

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-12-2024 08:28 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Bill,  household appliances and electronics are becoming so energy efficient that solar roofs, and  envelopes coupled with even moderate storage can meet load demands now months in advance of the sun which throws the lag for overcast days out the window. As this new generation of kids get a grasp on this technology,  we are expecting an enormous surge towards off grid living where people are desiring a more minimalist lifestyle within pristine environments all about our beautiful planet.  The exodus from these nasty urban catastrophes will accelerate so rapidly that  even the so called urbanite renaissance, "  The Man " will be forced to tag along as well..

Australia's housing industry is locked in a war of two fronts, fighting challenges in both affordability and sustainability. The housing crisis has continued to dominate headlines into 2024, with skyrocketing home prices and rents making it increasingly difficult for regular Aussies to find somewhere to live.

------------------------------
Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-12-2024 07:34 AM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Well yes. It is in the old vernacular the ultimate way to give the finger to "the man". I don't need "you" for my energy. I will take my toys and go home!! ....lol...

And yes there are cases where it makes $$$ sense, especially if you are a long distance from a grid connect, and all the connection costs would be on you. Can get very expensive.

The problem with always off-grid is you can not gen more than you use. So max EROI of the PV is not achieved. And inverter tech is far less forgiving of peak surges than standard pole transformers. Transformers can take a beating. Inverters not so much. Its just different Physics. Inverters are digital if you wish. Transformers are analog, to use a possible audiophile comparison.

But yes, there is always someone out there who will eat just about anything, though not the norm...

------------------------------
william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-12-2024 07:09 AM
From: Joe Schiller
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Original Message:
Sent: 12/12/2024 8:32:00 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: RE: Solar Oversupply?

In the very near future solar energy technologies will advance to become so darn efficient along with super storage capabilities that 100% off grid homes and businesses will become common place all around the world. The grid will still be around yet mostly microgrids that will be powered by billions of solar homes, and EVs everywhere that will be able to choose rather they sell power to feed the community grids or not depending on situation as each and every human being upon this planet becomes a producer instead of a consumer as the energy paradigm contunues to shift.

Meanwhile back to the here and now *

In the end, the Tesla 100 watt Lithium-ion battery was installed at the Hornsdale Power Reserve, well within the promised 100 days. With a capacity of 129 megawatt hours, it was the largest lithium-ion battery in the world at the time. It was so effective that several companies have started investing in power storage development as well. Soon, consumers might be able to store their own energy instead of relying on the country's power grid.

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Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-11-2024 12:29 PM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Not really a fan of off grid for many reasons. Off grid capable, yes. Off grid as normal day to day, no.

Tiny houses are fine for certain people. Not for others. I was just trying to visualize where I would put my 3 workshops in that trailer, for starters. They are good for people who only sleep, eat and collect stamps, and do everything else somewhere else.

And then there is the climate factor and resilience in long duration environmental disasters, etc..

But works for some......

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william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-10-2024 11:47 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Bill we agree, " NON-Sence " Just basically  means that something doesn't make a lot of sense, and you are right the poor planning and foresight that went into these enterprizes are well below the already established mark in many other countries like Germany for instance. Common- Sense would dictate better even with current solar technologies, but at least we are now seeing a massive push towards totally off grid homes that are totally fed up with this bull crap and rightly so.. Remember *

 Freedom and Truth go hand in hand for it is written,

"  And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

Trouble is as the say to see a truly free individual scares the hell out of most people because mainly they have not educated themselves enough to handle the truth, but nevertheless as Fox Mulder would say, " The Truth Is Out There! " 

Here Here!  

Designed and built by the talented team at ample, Stella is a uniquely Victorian mobile tiny home built using salvaged and repurposed material from an original farm shack. A three kilowatt solar system, 4000 liter water tank and her own septic storage system make Stella completely off grid.

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Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-10-2024 10:59 AM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

More nonsense in a world of nonsense. Typical engineering stuff.

Its what you should expect in a Capitalistic world when you start talking FREE energy.

Remember, FREE is to Capitalism as TRUTH is to Fascism.

No surprises here from the reality side or the nonsense side.

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william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-06-2024 08:43 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Okay been seeing these articles pop up all over lately about the oversupply of solar, that are causing fears of actually frying the existing grid. So we began investigating this phenomena to see what is actually going on? 

Australia struggling with oversupply of solar power--

Okay Alex Wonhas, the chief executive of battery developer AMPYR and a former executive at the Australian Energy Market Operator, said the problem was a physical one. Dr Wonhas said traditional sources of generation such as coal- and gas-fired plants, as well as electricity, provide the services that make the grid resilient and help it ride through shocks. These include inertia, the physical property that makes balancing a moving bicycle easier than a stationary one, and "system strength", which helps maintain the heartbeat of the grid. By contrast, Dr Wonhas said wind turbines, solar panels and batteries did not typically provide such services. The result, he said, was a grid that could be left dangerously short of resilience when minimum demand fell too low. In other words, when too many conventional generators were squeezed out of the system. 

"The minimum demand problem typically happens in the middle of the day on weekend days when you have a lot of solar output but maybe not a lot of demand,"

Dr Wonhas said, 

Full Article Here

Can there be such a thing as too much sun? According to Australia, yes. With over 650,000 solar-paneled homes, the country's power grid strains under a surplus of solar energy.

Nationals Senator Matt Canavan claims solar power can't provide "stability" in Australia's electricity system. His remarks come after Energy Minister Chris Bowen continues to defend the solar power grid and is resisting calls to introduce nuclear energy. "I've never been against solar power, the Coalition is not against renewables, but you can have too much of a good thing," Mr Canavan said. "You need to have a balance in any system and the problem we have in our system is there is too much solar power in the middle of the day."

Australia is grappling with too much solar power as renewable growth outpaces grid capacity-

To Much Solar?

 We would like to open this discussion with some more ideas?

" We proposed that as each region encounters this very problem that a " Global Power Grid " might become the solution as the light side could transfer excess solar electricity to the, Dark Side,  vice versa.  That might border on some Star Wars nostalgia but with the advent of the current Drone Wars, might just be suited for our particular SUN/EARTH situation right here in our own galaxy, that is not so far, far away. "

Global Solar Grid

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Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D
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Bill, The number of people who die in car accidents in the United States varies from year to year, but in 2023, an estimated 50,000 people died in traffic crashes. ( By comparison around 7,000 U.S. troops have died in all Middle East wars since the September 11th attacks in 2001)  Any other product that caused that many proven deaths would be immediately taken off the market like for instance DDT, Chlorofluorocarbons, and Asbestos. But this takes the cake-  In the United States, more than 480,000 people die from smoking cigarettes and secondhand smoke exposure each year.  Why are cigarettes and cars still on the market?   Money $ Money $ Money  $ Even the funerals make money.  You know Bill even if we manage to pull this thing off and get this climate change under control the human race will still have a lot of problems to solve, like nuclear war.  What good would it be to save the earth just to blow it up because a few humans cant get along?  Earth is our only heaven, and people really need to start treating it as so and stop wasting so much time and energy into false religions, obsolete futile technologies, Inferior junk products, war machines, fake news, fake education, endless ritual holidays, endless games, and governments that farm humans as tax slaves in polluted mega cities all across the planet. 

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Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-18-2024 04:45 PM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Hummmm. Maybe you were an LSD baby....lol...

BTW, radiation damage is cumulative. Like water, any amount gets you wet. The safe/not safe is just where humans decided to put a line. Lethality as  relates to frequency, with Gamma at 10**20-22 freq, the most lethal wave presenting radiation known to man, the Grim Reaper at the speed of light.

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william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-18-2024 12:17 PM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Sunlight, cigarettes and junk food been proven causes cancer, not to mention all the other crap that people do that is very unhealthy.  But yet these devices/vices can be created to exist within so called " Healthy" levels, as almost every home already has a microwave oven of which many humans cook the very food they consume with these microwaves, and cell towers hanging over their heads, ( Average Rural Cell Tower broadcast is 500 watts, 100 watts Urban, per channel with average 395 voice channels, as well as 21 data channels)   and cell phones in their hands.( According to the FCC, the average cell phone radiation, measured by  the Specific Absorption Rate (SAR), is capped at 1.6 watts per kilogram of body tissue,  which is considered the legal limit for safe exposure in the United States. ) Evil could also be interpreted as 1.4 billion vehicles with internal combustion engines driving a planet to extinction but that might hit way to close to home. ( WLAN)      Ha - Yah  Bill see you can take a joke.. LOL  - Non-ionizing, but nevertheless the evolution of language. Bill, We are not trying to create any patents here, just gestures for conversation some call it,  " Brainstorming "   Our bubble cant be busted Bill, well at least not here,  We hope not, cause it is the bubble that surrounds Our whole planet called,  Atmos-  " Sphere!  " 

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Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-18-2024 11:56 AM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Hate to burst your bubble, but WLAN is already taken a LONG time ago.

As for everything wireless (Converted to microwave) is absurd. The EMR would be so thick you could walk on it.

Another fairy tail, and an Evil one at that. Cancer for all, anyone....

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william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-18-2024 02:20 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Andrew every home and car on the planet could become a power plant, not Virtual   -  Actual  power plants.  Concepts such as Off Grid, Or On Grid will not even be used in these times as energy evolves into truly a wireless world. Off Grid/ On Grid is still all about, "  WIRES"  

Integrated solar will blend into construction so well that the solar will be virtually invisible. All the solar all around the planet will be connected, Wirelessly-  Into this future still yet unnamed network that for lack of a better expression will call the, Wait for it   (WLAN)  DoubleYou  Land   *  Modular Avatar One,  to Avatar Two "  Replicate "   All the Energy from the Sun (173 Peta Watts/Second ) Reaches the Earth, "  Wirelessly" 

Entering the electric era: will EV charging really go wireless?

 Running your home on wireless electricity refers to powering all the devices and appliances in your house using wireless power transfer technology, essentially eliminating the need for visible wires by transmitting electricity through electromagnetic fields, allowing devices to charge or operate without being directly plugged in, similar to how you charge your phone wirelessly on a charging pad, but on a larger scale for entire home appliances.  

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Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-16-2024 11:36 AM
From: Andrew Stone
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

I would add the following reason to William's list that OFF-GRID is suboptimal:

Once your batteries are fully charged, your extra kW are just disappearing into the void. Helping the AI-distressed grid is something that grid-tied can help with, especially if storage is included. And that makes it better for all ratepayers.

 I feel great about my solar powering the homes of my neighbors, and the most resilient future grid will be a distributed energy network - especially if we can get paid for using our batteries during peak. I'm all ears for hearing about successful Virtual Power Plants owned by thousands of families that keep the gas peaker plants off-line and spread the wealth of the sun to more people.

Because Virtual means "unreal" to so many people, I see a movement to recast VPP's as Distributed Energy Plants!

Here's a quick primer with deep links to learn more: https://www.peoplesenergycoop.com/index.php/virtual-power-plants/

Andrew Stone, President

NM People's Energy Cooperative

https://PeoplesEnergyCoop.com

Together A Just Energy Transition

¡Sí, hablo Español!

Original Message:
Sent: 12/13/2024 5:46:00 PM
From: william fitch
Subject: RE: Solar Oversupply?

LOL... What ever(s) your on....God bless you.....lol....

I guess I will just have to stop charging my energy hog EV's....

Keep burning that White Coal.....

.....EOL

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william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-13-2024 01:32 PM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

The next generation of solar practitioners will have a whole different mindset. Bill these kids are reinventing themselves, their homes and their cars. The high on the hog living of our times are not even on their radar..Old energy hog appliances, and homes went the way of wastelands of past worlds forever. We have to think way outside the box just to begin to keep up.. Bill maybe a bit of downsizing will better suit your arrangements in between time happy Friday the 13th...

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Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-13-2024 10:52 AM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Didn't ask for, or need definitions of the relevant equipment. 

BTW: Most inverters today are transformeless for cost reduction and weight reduction.

Charge controllers are irrelevant on the load side.

And yes, everyone loves efficiency, except those who can make money on inefficiency. 

All inductive loads (Motors, large inductors) have a current "hit" which can cause voltage drops that can cause inverters to drop out. 

Even plugging in an EV to level II charger can cause an inverter to drop. Once in a great while when I plug in my Chevy Bolt in my garage, it will cause the 11.77KW grid tie inverter to drop right next to it. Then it will sit for the mandatory 5 minutes before engaging the grid. That is 1/12 of the PV hourly capacity lost on a sunny day, which is roughly 1KWH. Now, do I loose sleep over losing 1KWH production? No. But it still irritates me. 

Anyway, I digress. 

As I mentioned in my original post, Off-grid works for some/few for any number of reasons. But when something goes wrong at 3AM in the morning in Winter on a Sunday (Which it will), you won't be getting an automatic phone call telling you when service will be restored, when you did not even notice it was out.

ITS ALL ON YOU!!

As for:

"Bill,  household appliances and electronics are becoming so energy efficient that solar roofs, and  envelopes coupled with even moderate storage can meet load demands now months in advance of the sun which throws the lag for overcast days out the window."

Months in advance regarding storage! That is "fantasy land" except for maybe a single person living in a place where the temp is always 70 DegF and just basically sleeps at home, in a one room row house.

Now, does that person exist? Sure. With 8 Billion people someone somewhere will "fit the bill".

But, are they anywhere near the "Norm"? No. I use roughly 50-70KWH's a day, family of 4 all EV's etc.. I am basically net zero for everything and basically all electric. For me to be off-grid especially through Winter with the associated seasonal variation, I would need somewhere near 500KWH's of storage, and that does not even deal with large inductive loads or similar loads like EV charging, electric oven and electric dryer.

PS: An still no max EROI on the panels for off grid. Translates to less panel efficiency over all......

And to speak some hard core truth which sales and marketing types hate, newer is not always better. Different is not always better.

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William fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-12-2024 10:47 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Okay Bill, to your point. Lets get into the nuts and bolts of the crops you have raised?

 " Remember LED lighting products produce light up to 90% more efficiently than incandescent light bulbs and that just happened a few Yesturday's ago so just imagine what a few Tomorrow's hold in store just beyond thoughtechs forbidden door. " 

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Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-12-2024 09:45 AM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Those are nice sentiments, but they have NOTHING to do with the specific points I raised...

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william fitch
Owner
www.WeAreSolar.com

Original Message:
Sent: 12-12-2024 08:28 AM
From: Timothy Mcbride
Subject: Solar Oversupply?

Bill,  household appliances and electronics are becoming so energy efficient that solar roofs, and  envelopes coupled with even moderate storage can meet load demands now months in advance of the sun which throws the lag for overcast days out the window. As this new generation of kids get a grasp on this technology,  we are expecting an enormous surge towards off grid living where people are desiring a more minimalist lifestyle within pristine environments all about our beautiful planet.  The exodus from these nasty urban catastrophes will accelerate so rapidly that  even the so called urbanite renaissance, "  The Man " will be forced to tag along as well..

Australia's housing industry is locked in a war of two fronts, fighting challenges in both affordability and sustainability. The housing crisis has continued to dominate headlines into 2024, with skyrocketing home prices and rents making it increasingly difficult for regular Aussies to find somewhere to live.

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Timothy Mcbride
CEOOwner
Sol-Era R & D

Original Message:
Sent: 12-12-2024 07:34 AM
From: william fitch
Subject: Solar Oversupply?