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  • 1.  Solar Talking Points

    Posted 11-17-2023 01:29 PM
    Edited by Timothy Mcbride 11-17-2023 04:50 PM

    Sol-Era R & D Talking Points

     *  The Suns Rays have way less energy in the winter time for the northern hemisphere, so in most areas a backup is needed.  Invention and innovation is needed such as the advanced longevity battery storage,  structural insulation technologies coupled with PV/Hybrid heat pumps/ refrigeration. 

     *  Energy isn't the problem! It is what the energy is being used for that is the problem- junk products, fake endless ritual holidays, obsolescence technologies etc...   Products can be made to last many lifetimes instead of this basically junk filling up landfills. Made to fail products for repeat sales must end. Get rid of the waste, and inefficiency then the current energy paradigm can handle the existing electrical loads easy.

      * Hybrid Cars, and Trucks are needed for cross-country traveling- Hybrids could be hydrogen fuel cells, propane, or gasoline.. etc coupled with integrated PV, advanced lightweight onboard battery storage driving electric drive trains.

     *  PV/EV/Highway? The endless range EV is possible with advanced smart asphalt PV infused or companion highways that actually become the main battery thru Inductive charging thus making cars and trucks very light and efficient.

     * Solar Micro-Grids with PV arrays locally can help communities by clustering the electricity including also Bidirectional Charging with EVs.



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    Timothy Mcbride
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  • 2.  RE: Solar Talking Points

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    Posted 11-18-2023 10:23 PM

    " *  Energy isn't the problem! It is what the energy is being used for that is the problem- junk products, fake endless ritual holidays, obsolescence technologies etc...   Products can be made to last many lifetimes instead of this basically junk filling up landfills. Made to fail products for repeat sales must end. Get rid of the waste, and inefficiency then the current energy paradigm can handle the existing electrical loads easy."

    Welcome to Capitalism and Currency.

    Nothing we have done has ever been for the wellness of man as the first order of intent, unless the profit motive has been satisfied first, since the currency constructs creation. The betterment of man has always been just along for the ride and an after "rah-rah" to make everyone feel good, after someone has been made rich in the process. In those cases where this has not been the outcome, someone has been willing to loose or loose as a matter of accident or as someone's else's desire for them to loose, so they could gain (Business vengeance). Why do you think the focus and preference is always on treatments, not cures, as one small example in a mountain of ongoing evidence. 

    If what I am saying here was not true, we would not be in the mess we are in now. 

    We literally kill human babies, women, children, and all other life forms in the most viscous ways for profit, something that actually has no tangible reality, having one degree of separation from math, yet another non real human construct we use to quantify the universe for our understanding, yet not actually part of it.

    There is this wonderful series on Netflix called, "Life on our planet":

    https://www.netflix.com/title/80213846

    The Temporal perspective one gets from watching this series is truly humbling regarding humans. The insignificant fraction of a micro-blip in time we are, compared to all that humanity has and does stand on, since this planets beginning 4 billion years ago, is basically incomprehensible from a detail and wholistic perspective combined.

    As one little factoid, I never knew that the ONLY other species to treat itself with medicine (Antibiotics) for care of its injured are one variety of Black African ants, so within 24 hours their injured can go back out and battle termites, even while missing limbs.

    Anyway, that's enough pre Thanksgiving cheer. My Ben-Franklin printing press just broke in the basement, so I have to go and repair it.

    Extinction Level Event



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    william fitch
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  • 3.  RE: Solar Talking Points

    Posted 11-20-2023 11:43 AM
    Edited by Timothy Mcbride 11-20-2023 11:46 AM

    Mr Fitch,

    Yes so called modern human beings as a species has a poor track record of making good decisions when it comes to the environment, and sustainability over the long haul,  as you have stated the conflict for resources continue even now as we reach the precipice of solar energy technologies that can change all this forever. Will check out that show sounds interesting thanks.  



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    Timothy Mcbride
    CEO/Owner
    Sol-Era R & D
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  • 4.  RE: Solar Talking Points

    ASES Life Member
    Posted 11-20-2023 01:21 PM

    On a vertical surface, you get more solar radiation in the winter than in the summer. This is quite convenient for passive solar heating systems, which contrary to popular belief, can be designed to not need a backup.

    Amen to the discussion on planned obsolescence!



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    M Keith Sharp
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    Louisville KY
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  • 5.  RE: Solar Talking Points

    Posted 11-20-2023 01:50 PM
    Edited by Timothy Mcbride 11-20-2023 02:15 PM

    Mr Sharp,

    Few people live in homes with roofs that are " Vertical " surfaces and ground mount vertical surfaces, or walls tend to be very  inconvenient as trees, buildings, overcast, and automobiles can shade the solar, but nevertheless a planned community could take advantage to this radiation if the space is available, like out in the country side, or planned solar communities in northern climates, nevertheless wind will have to be considered as vertical surfaces will have to be constructed to handle way more foot pounds of force in that regard. 

     Planned obsolescence!

    A good article on that subject is,   Why Humans Might Never Become A Type One Civilization: Part 1

    A quote from that article,

    "  Picture this: The year is 2120 (by the most optimistic predictions) and humanity has finally done it. We’ve built the solar panels, the geothermal collectors, the windmills, and are finally on the brink of officially becoming a Type One civilization. We’ve got just one last solar collection satellite left to launch, and we’re primed to celebrate in parties all across the globe. But as the countdown to that momentous moment hits zero, the satellite doesn’t launch. Instead, there’s an explosion in the distance, the lights go out and, as you gaze up into the darkness, you see eerie, unearthly ships descending from the sky above……Okay, so an alien invasion might not be the most likely reason why we’ll never make it to Type One on the Kardashev Scale, but we can’t completely strike it off the list of potential reasons either. And, to understand why, we need to talk about something called the Great Filter. "  

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    Timothy Mcbride
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  • 6.  RE: Solar Talking Points

    ASES Life Member
    Posted 11-20-2023 02:33 PM
    Edited by M Keith Sharp 11-20-2023 02:47 PM

    Passive solar heating systems typically use the south-facing wall, not the roof. Walls are almost always vertical. See the sketch below.

    Back in the day, a number of communities included solar access (for the south wall for passive solar heating, not the roof for PV) in the building codes for new development.

    Passive solar heating is simple. It works without electric power, so it is resilient to power outages and it doesn't need PV or batteries nor an expanded grid as built floor area increases. See my article in the recent issue of Solar Today on six historic and modern homes that are 100% (or nearly so) passive solar heated and passively cooled. Such performance has been possible for over 70 years, but most people don't know about it.



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    M Keith Sharp
    Emeritus Professor
    Louisville KY
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  • 7.  RE: Solar Talking Points

    Posted 11-20-2023 05:44 PM
    Edited by Timothy Mcbride 11-20-2023 06:07 PM

    Yah,  we used to install a unit similar to that was coined a " Heat Grabber "  back in the day.

    The Heat Grabber still has to have a clean line of sight towards the Sun to work efficiently. We are looking at an over built urban sprawl here in America with sub divisions out the wazoo that are attemping to retrofit towards solar with really screwed up orientation solarwise, so most folks are looking for solar PV to do it all electrically like with heat pumps, and other very efficient appliances of course the electronics and lighting is easy with solar, but yes a ground up solar with correct orientation heck yah go for it, passive solar heating with plenty of thermal mass, and mega R insulation correctamundo but still just supplemental towards overall total energy loads as will not be sufficient on those cold dark snowed in wintry days, weeks on end without a backup which is usually a generator or the existing grid.



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    Timothy Mcbride
    CEO/Owner
    Sol-Era R & D
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  • 8.  RE: Solar Talking Points

    ASES Life Member
    Posted 11-20-2023 10:33 PM

    Tim,

      Please read my article. The Warren/Saunders house in Boxborough, MA (a cold and cloudy climate) was built in 1986, and has remained comfortable all these years without a furnace or air conditioner. You are right, the house has lots of thermal mass.

    Modern systems need less. The Riggins house has just the floor slab downstairs and an extra layer of drywall upstairs. Yes, the CO climate isn't as cloudy, but the performance is still remarkable.



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    M Keith Sharp
    Emeritus Professor
    Louisville KY
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  • 9.  RE: Solar Talking Points

    Posted 11-21-2023 07:28 AM
    Edited by Timothy Mcbride 11-23-2023 10:09 AM

    Mr Sharp, 

    Indeed checked out both of those projects.  Nice work there. There is a webinar today and Thursday on that very subject. Maybe will see you there? 

    IEA SHC Solar Academy Webinar: Current developments in thermal energy storage materials (Broadcast)

    Q: We are interesting in producing simple solar heat grabbers to use in existing homes. Are there materials that could be used that are better absorber materials out there on the heat side of a passive design? Light weight thermomass material? 

    Flexible Phase Change (PCM) Mats

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    Timothy Mcbride
    CEO/Owner
    Sol-Era R & D
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  • 10.  RE: Solar Talking Points

    ASES Life Member
    Posted 11-22-2023 09:45 AM

    Tim,

    Thanks for the meeting links. Europe seems to be ahead of us in solar heating of buildings. 

    Happy Thanksgiving to all!



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    M Keith Sharp
    Emeritus Professor
    Louisville KY
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  • 11.  RE: Solar Talking Points

    Silver
    Contributor
    Posted 11-20-2023 07:04 PM

    The costs of pure passive conditioning are just too expensive (Initial) and builder intensive rather than people just sticking in a furnace or heat pump and pay over time (Credit card mentality). 

    Builders are very much like the standard car dealerships in their ability to act as a "governor" relating to what makes it to market as a success. They want simple and fast because everything is "costed" as a whole project bid rather than by unit time cost (By the hour). SO the faster they can build the end product, the more money they make (Gives rise to HUGE workmanship issues, etc.)

    That's why the solution has been around forever and is ignored. It doesn't fit the USA def of Capitalism as practiced from cost to expense, from mfg. to buyer, etc., not for lack of visibility.

    It is this core reason we continue to fail, and will.... despite most peoples verbiage and actions suggesting that sea water does not taste salty, or a clear sunny day represents darkness.



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    william fitch
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  • 12.  RE: Solar Talking Points

    ASES Life Member
    Posted 11-20-2023 10:14 PM

    The Riggins house in my Solar Today article cost 8% more than a code-built house. This includes 99% passive solar heating, 100% passive cooling and 99% solar hot water. It also includes a heat pump backup, which hasn't been needed (used for 5 hours total in the first five years), because they also have a wood stove. Take away the heat pump and the solar hot water system, and the cost difference for nearly 100% space heating and cooling is next to nothing. It is hard to argue that it is too expensive.

    Still, I understand your points. We need ways to include energy in qualification for home loans, i.e, PITI+E (principle, interest, taxes, insurance + energy) and for remodels. This way, such houses would be the cheapest life cycle option.

    Yes, there are builders who do the minimum, but there are also those who pride themselves in building to high standards, including Passive House. The real problem is that there are few who know how to take the extra steps to get to 100%. Jim Riggins and I are both engineers who designed our own houses to perform like they do. We both worked with builders inexperienced with this type of house and were able to make it work. The average architect and builder do not have these design skills, nor the design tools to do the same. The average homeowner probably doesn't know that 100% ambient conditioning is even possible. We are working to change that.



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    M Keith Sharp
    Emeritus Professor
    Louisville KY
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  • 13.  RE: Solar Talking Points

    Silver
    Contributor
    Posted 11-20-2023 06:53 PM

    I think far more practical perceptual vectors are simply the "rating" that man will continue to be a primitive civilization as long and we war, kill and burn for energy. Those are two biggies just to get up to bat for the longevity game.

    As far a Aliens (Non green card type), as Albert noted, the distances alone prohibit contact, and any civilization that has somehow managed to over come that, will take no interest in us, any more than we take interest in every ant hill we pass our feet over....

    Man has the arrogance to think of thought directions that he is centered and gifted in the universe, as witnessed through ANY Organized religion, or be of interest to Aliens, and have it all figured out regarding "Gods" intentions, that which created the whole universe. But we "know" what he (Sorry, bible gender) wants and all the intensions and motivations, etc.., depending on which planetary version you want to believe. The level of presumed knowledge absurdity about that which created everything is beyond comprehension. 

    I always thought that it was funny that the following quote:

    "One of the greatest tragedies in mankind's entire history may be that morality was hijacked by religion." ― Arthur C. Clarke" 

    Which is very, very true, yet, Clarke himself was an Atheist, a position which is logically untenable.

    Humans are definitely the holders of contradiction, even within the self, and even perhaps especially the self.

    FYI: I think "Star Trek: TNG" might have been the first "show" to put the Dyson Sphere concept to the screen in the episode named "Relics".



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    william fitch
    Owner
    www.WeAreSolar.com
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  • 14.  RE: Solar Talking Points

    Posted 12-05-2023 12:29 PM
    Edited by Timothy Mcbride 12-07-2023 09:49 AM

    This film series explores many aspects of our society. To rethink what is possible in our world, we need to consider what kind of world we want to live in. Although we refer to it as a civilization, it is anything but civilized. Visions of global unity & fellowship have long inspired humanity, yet the social arrangements up to the present have largely failed to produce a peaceful and productive world. While we appear to be technically advanced, our values and behaviors are not. The possibility of an optimistic future is in stark contrast to our current social, economic, and environmental dilemmas. The Choice Is Ours includes interviews with notable scientists, media professionals, authors, and other thinkers exploring the difficulties we face.
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    Timothy Mcbride
    CEO/Owner
    Sol-Era R & D
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  • 15.  RE: Solar Talking Points

    Silver
    Contributor
    Posted 11-20-2023 06:13 PM

    No snow or foreign matter build up either. Vertical hot air panels are very effective if within 20 degs. of true South and open exposure.



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    william fitch
    Owner
    www.WeAreSolar.com
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  • 16.  RE: Solar Talking Points

    Posted 11-21-2023 03:48 PM
    Edited by Timothy Mcbride 11-24-2023 10:22 PM

    No snow short of  A Iceage? Think ahead 7 generations your Children's Children's Children's Children's Children's Children's Children then act for all of Their's Behalf.   Be Thankful aways presenting, The Piano Guys  enjoy !~*

    We are exploring a new type of heat pump, that is powered by Solera PV/Batt and also we are setting up experiments that heat water tankless with Solera PV/Batt system both within super insulated envelopes, plus several other up and coming soon,   prototypes allude nevertheless working on a paper that should be ready for publication next year but not in time for this latest Solar Congress, even though may still plan to attend the American Solar Conference in DC 2024. Solar Heat Pumps are amazing technology especially here in the south. Heat Pumps are like body heat for the home, the rest is insulation creating that blanket effect that holds the heated, and or conditioned air- way longer within the structural-wise thermo masculine. The Sun is only out for so long when it does come out, so these ways to capture that energy is precedent for nightly yet with prolonged electrical storage the heat, the cool, and electricity can still be available no matter the light state, and the modern EV that is becoming a intricate in that equation. Thanks to All! Carry on See Yah SOON.
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    Timothy Mcbride
    CEO/Owner
    Sol-Era R & D
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