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  • 1.  The Sun Queen

    ASES Life Member
    Posted 04-06-2023 09:15 PM

    The PBS series American Experience recently had an episode on Maria Telkes called The Sun Queen. It is worth watching. She designed one of the first modern solar homes (the 1948 Dover, MA house) that was actually lived in. They showed a bit of vintage film of the house being built, and interviewed the child (now an old man) who lived there with his parents. Although problems developed later, the house was 100% heated by solar for the first two winters. Wish my experiments worked so well! She was a true pioneer.



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    M Keith Sharp
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    Louisville KY
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  • 2.  RE: The Sun Queen

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    Contributor
    Posted 04-10-2023 04:28 PM

    Thank you so much for sharing, Keith! What this the video you watched? https://www.pbs.org/video/the-sun-queen-fyx4ty/



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    Ella Nielsen
    Membership & Engagement Manager
    American Solar Energy Society
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  • 3.  RE: The Sun Queen

    ASES Life Member
    Posted 04-10-2023 08:22 PM

    Ella,
       That's the one. Thanks for posting the link.

         Maria was ahead of her time in so many ways. She designed the Dover house in 1948 to be 100% solar when few, if any, others thought that to be possible. 30 years later, Richard Levine said, "The turning point will be when we change our commitment from an add­-on, booster mentality to a 100% solar sensibility." Pretty sure he knew what Maria had accomplished. She was still a prominent solar researcher. He was just trying to get others to live up to her example.

    Keith



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    M Keith Sharp
    Emeritus Professor
    Louisville KY
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  • 4.  RE: The Sun Queen

    ASES Life Member
    Posted 04-11-2023 05:40 PM
    Yes, Maria Telkes was truly a pioneer. Some might be wondering what was the outcome from all of her research on solar thermal storage? The show said the glauber salts (aka eutectic salts) failed in the MIT Dover house after 2 years, so maybe 500 cycles. 20 years later, Maria was at my lab, the Institute of Energy Conversion at University of Delaware (I was not there during that time,  I joined a few years later and have been here for past 40 years). In 1973-74 the IEC and UD team built another all solar house called 'Solar One' as a test case for many new solar innovations. She lead the team working on thermal storage. Solar One also had Delaware hand-made Cu2S/CdS solar cells on the roof which the Dover house did not. In the PBS show, they mention her being at UD for about 5 seconds and showed a quick B+W photo of the UD Solar One. This was an even more ambitious project than Dover Sun House because it had early home-made PV and batteries as well as solar thermal and hot water.  Just like the Dover house, many thousands of people toured the house.

    I am not a chemist so I don't know how the glauber salts at UD differed from the ones at Dover House, but I assume she learned from her mistakes there and these were improved versions. 

    However the glauber salt storage also failed in UD's solar house after the first year! The salts came out of solution and solidified in less than 500 cycles. We built new salt packs (in sausage like tubes they called chubs) and replaced them and those failed too. By this time a company in NJ  had licensed the technology and had sold a few to homes in the MidAtlantic region. They also failed and there were threats of lawsuits and misrepresentation of technology readiness. 

    To my knowledge there has been no serious commercial activity using glauber salts for thermal storage. If I am wrong please correct this. 

    Nonetheless, everyone I talked to who worked with her said she was charming, clever, hard working, hard driving, and inspired. Which you have to be to be a pioneer in technology, especially as a woman in the 60s and 70s.   I'm not trying to diminish her accomplishments but rather want to point out that sometimes even all those qualities aren't enough to overcome fundamental technical limitations. 

    Steve



    Co-editor, Handbook of Photovoltaic Science and Engineering, 2nd Ed 
    (Wiley and Sons 2011)
    Steven Hegedus
    Professor, Electrical and Computer Engineering
    Senior Scientist, Institute of Energy Conversion
    University of Delaware
    Newark DE 19711
    302-831-6253

    Co-editor, Handbook of Photovoltaic Science and Engineering, 2nd Ed 
    (Wiley and Sons 2011) 






  • 5.  RE: The Sun Queen

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    Contributor
    Posted 04-11-2023 08:37 PM

    The salts were just not stable, try as they may. One of the things around today, but only at the lab level, is Phase Change Drywall. It uses wax in PCM micro capsules to hold heat in phase, increasing the heat capacity of the interior building envelope. In theory seems like a good idea but of course for any thermal transfer to occur, a temp differential must be had at two points, acquire and release. But given the large exchange surface, the differential can be small with a large amount of heat transferred.

    High R initial building still makes the most sense for dollar investment. If you don't loose it or gain it into the structure, all this really drops away. Much like the answer to global warming is simply not to put CO2 there in the first place.

    All of these things being known and available today, are resisted because there is no recurring revenue stream. Prior to global warming, Capitalism could work unfettered because there were no consequences for the species from other vectors, other than Thermonuclear suicide. Global warming now is a non negotiable end, no bargaining, no appeasement possible. Change or die, albeit slowly.



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  • 6.  RE: The Sun Queen

    ASES Life Member
    Posted 04-12-2023 09:16 AM

    Steve,
       Thanks for sharing the story of Maria at UD and congratulations on IED's 51st birthday coming up soon! What is the status of Solar One today? What solar systems are in operation and is it still being used for research?

         From the pictures, it looks like Solar One has 2x4 walls, so not super-insulated. Norm Saunders (following others, notably the U of Illinois Lo-Cal House and the Saskatchewan Conservation House) later developed three rules:

              1. Super-insulate
              2. Harvest as much solar as you can
              3. Install as much thermal mass as you can afford

         Rule #1 works in the absence of the other two, because it can save a lot of heating and cooling energy by itself. However, it can't practically save it all. Internal heat gains provide at most a small fraction (1/3 for January even in my super-insulated house) of the heating needs. Insulating enough for internal heat gains to provide all the heating needs would be over the top in most climates.

         If Rule #1 is followed to modern standards of super-insulation, then Rules #2 and 3 can be modified to read:

              Rule 2. Harvest just enough solar
              Rule 3. Install at least enough thermal mass

         A sufficient amount of solar can be gained from a solar aperture as little as 5% of the floor area. More is not necessarily better, because more windows contribute to higher losses. The thermal mass needed is also smaller than Maria and Norm used, though extra only improves the damping of temperature swings.

         It seems Maria used the original Rules #2 and 3, without Rule #1. When the Glauber's salt was working, the strategy was nonetheless effective. FWIW, I simulated the Dover house with water storage, and its performance was still respectable, but there were times with TMY3 data that indoor temperature was uncomfortable. With the more severe storms that can happen with real weather, performance was undoubtedly worse.

         It is easy for us to look back over 70 years later and see improvements that could have been made, but I remain inspired by Marias "damn the torpedoes, let's go for 100%" attitude!



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    M Keith Sharp
    Emeritus Professor
    Louisville KY
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