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Zoom Discussion - Update of Major Solar Incentive Programs

  • 1.  Zoom Discussion - Update of Major Solar Incentive Programs

    Silver
    Contributor
    Posted 01-17-2023 10:56 AM
    In addition to recapping the week's solar news, we will discuss
    major incentive programs that are designed to lower the cost of installing residential and commercial PV systems.



    Each Tuesday at noon (Eastern) solarPVtraining.com hosts a Zoom sessions for students (or anyone, really) interested in solar. Generally discussion focuses on technical questions, problems or troubleshooting - or just what is happening in solar that week.

    Join Zoom Meeting each Tuesday at
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    Jay Warmke
    Owner
    Blue Rock Station LLC
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  • 2.  RE: Zoom Discussion - Update of Major Solar Incentive Programs

    Posted 01-18-2023 10:58 AM

    Re. solar incentives update:

    (I am involved with a non-profit church solar install.)
    It is not residential and not commercial. Would it qualify for the 10% incentive if using US manufactured materials content?

    Thanks for reply,

    --  Address:  Allen Wilkinson                       (cell)  (216) 548-2349 1286 Yellowstone Road                 retired NASA Glenn scientist Cleveland Heights, OH 44121  USA      (INTERNET) aw(at)chaff(dot)biz  "It is the thoughts we don't have that get us in life."  +++++++ 





  • 3.  RE: Zoom Discussion - Update of Major Solar Incentive Programs

    Silver
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    Posted 01-18-2023 02:41 PM
    My understanding is that the church would be considered a business and would qualify.   At the moment only two solar panels qualify as American made - First Solar and Toledo Solar (both are thin film).  First Solar is only available to utility-scale systems.  Only 40% of the content must be American made in the first year to qualify - so I suspect you can make up the panel issues (if you don't want to go with Toledo Solar) with other US items.

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    Jay Warmke
    Owner
    Blue Rock Station LLC
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  • 4.  RE: Zoom Discussion - Update of Major Solar Incentive Programs

    Posted 01-18-2023 04:00 PM

    Thanks

    On 1/18/23 17:19, Jay Warmke via American Solar Energy Society Inc wrote:
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    My understanding is that the church would be considered a business and would qualify.   At the moment only two solar panels qualify as American...
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    My understanding is that the church would be considered a business and would qualify.   At the moment only two solar panels qualify as American made - First Solar and Toledo Solar (both are thin film).  First Solar is only available to utility-scale systems.  Only 40% of the content must be American made in the first year to qualify - so I suspect you can make up the panel issues (if you don't want to go with Toledo Solar) with other US items.

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    Original Message:
    Sent: 1/18/2023 4:41:00 PM
    From: Jay Warmke
    Subject: RE: Zoom Discussion - Update of Major Solar Incentive Programs

    My understanding is that the church would be considered a business and would qualify.   At the moment only two solar panels qualify as American made - First Solar and Toledo Solar (both are thin film).  First Solar is only available to utility-scale systems.  Only 40% of the content must be American made in the first year to qualify - so I suspect you can make up the panel issues (if you don't want to go with Toledo Solar) with other US items.

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    Jay Warmke
    Owner
    Blue Rock Station LLC
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    Original Message:
    Sent: 01-18-2023 10:57 AM
    From: Allen Wilkinson
    Subject: Zoom Discussion - Update of Major Solar Incentive Programs

    Re. solar incentives update:

    (I am involved with a non-profit church solar install.)
    It is not residential and not commercial. Would it qualify for the 10% incentive if using US manufactured materials content?

    Thanks for reply,

    --  Address:  Allen Wilkinson                       (cell)  (216) 548-2349 1286 Yellowstone Road                 retired NASA Glenn scientist Cleveland Heights, OH 44121  USA      (INTERNET) aw(at)chaff(dot)biz  "It is the thoughts we don't have that get us in life."  +++++++ 



    Original Message:
    Sent: 1/17/2023 12:56:00 PM
    From: Jay Warmke
    Subject: Zoom Discussion - Update of Major Solar Incentive Programs

    In addition to recapping the week's solar news, we will discuss
    major incentive programs that are designed to lower the cost of installing residential and commercial PV systems.



    Each Tuesday at noon (Eastern) solarPVtraining.com hosts a Zoom sessions for students (or anyone, really) interested in solar. Generally discussion focuses on technical questions, problems or troubleshooting - or just what is happening in solar that week.

    Join Zoom Meeting each Tuesday at
    https://zoom.us/j/91067004366?pwd=b1d...

    Meeting ID: 910 6700 4366
    Password: 625623

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    Jay Warmke
    Owner
    Blue Rock Station LLC
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  • 5.  RE: Zoom Discussion - Update of Major Solar Incentive Programs

    Posted 01-19-2023 01:27 PM
    Here is a US manufacture PV list that I lifted from Energy Sage.  It's 2 years old and I don't believe that it's a complete list.  
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    U.S. solar panel manufacturers: a list of American-made solar panels

      

    On January 22, 2018, the Trump Administration announced a 30 percent tariff on solar panels and cells imported into the United States. This announcement raised a lot of questions for solar customers on the EnergySage Solar Marketplace. One of the most popular questions: where can I find solar panels that are made in America? 

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    While the majority of solar projects in the United States use imported panels, there are more U.S. manufacturers than you might think. The following solar panel companies do some (or all) of their manufacturing in the United States, but are not necessarily headquartered in the country:

    U.S. solar panel manufacturers (updated for 2020)

    Here is a list of companies with solar panels made in the U.S.A. in 2020:

    • Heliene – Mountain Iron, MN (U.S. manufacturing facility)
    • Mission Solar – San Antonio, TX
    • Seraphim – Jackson, MS (U.S. headquarters)
    • Silfab Solar – Bellingham, WA (U.S. manufacturing facility)
    • Solaria – Fremont, CA (U.S. headquarters)
    • SolarTech Universal – Riviera Beach, FL
    • SolarWorld Americas – Hillsboro, OR
    • SunSpark – Riverside, CA
    • Tesla/Panasonic – Buffalo, NY (U.S. manufacturing facility)

    Other notable American solar companies:

    • Auxin Solar – San Jose, CA
    • CertainTeed Solar – San Jose, CA
    • CSUN – McClellan Park, CA
    • First Solar – Perrysburg, OH
    • Global Solar – Tucson, AZ
    • GreenBrilliance – Baltimore, MD
    • Hanwha Q CELLS – Dalton, GA
    • JinkoSolar – Jacksonville, FL
    • LG Solar USA – Huntsville, AL
    • Lumos Solar – San Jose, CA
    • MiaSolé – Sunnyvale, CA
    • Prism Solar – Highland, NY
    • Solar Electric America – Richmond, VA
    • SolSuntech – Virginia
    • SunPower – San Jose, CA

    Is our list missing any U.S. companies? Leave us a note in the comments – we'll update with new additions as they come in.

    There are two things that we should mention about our list of American-made solar panel companies.

    First, many of these companies assemble some or all of their solar panels in the U.S., but import the key components from other countries. These components also fall under the solar tariff, but there is an exception for the first 2.5 gigawatts (GW) of solar cells imported each year. (For context, the United States installed 12 GW of solar in all of 2017, of which an estimated 2.5 GW was U.S.-made solar panels.)

    Second, not every company on this list is headquartered in the United States. Some, like Heliene, have headquarters elsewhere. Others, like SolarWorld Americas, are subsidiaries of foreign manufacturers. However, they all manufacture some of their panels in the United States.

    Read on for more information about some of the companies that make solar panels in America.

    SolarWorld Americas and Suniva

    Update January 2019: Suniva filed for bankruptcy in 2018 and is currenlty going through proceedings.

    Out of all the U.S. solar panel manufacturers on the list (and not on the list anymore), these two might be the most recognizable. Both SolarWorld Americas and Suniva have been featured in the news lately as the two companies that asked the government to consider tariffs on foreign solar panel companies.

    There is disagreement in the solar industry about whether the tariffs will actually encourage more manufacturing in the United States in the long term. Some industry groups expect that the resulting increased costs will have an overall negative impact on solar in the United States. The Solar Energy Industries Association estimates that there will be some increase in manufacturing jobs, but that there will be an even bigger loss of jobs in the solar installation business.

    In the short term, SolarWorld has announced that they'll be expanding their U.S. solar panel production. Suniva hasn't publicly commented on their plans.

    You can read EnergySage's SolarWorld review and Suniva review for more about their solar panels.

    Heliene Solar

    Heliene is based in Sault St. Marie, Ontario, Canada, and manufactures most of its solar panels there. However, Heliene also has a manufacturing facility in Minnesota. The company's solar panels are eligible for the Made in Minnesota Solar Incentive Program, which offers a cash payment to Minnesota solar system owners who install solar panels manufactured in state.

    Following the White House's announcement of the solar tariff, Heliene announced that it is investing in a new equipment line at its Minnesota facility.

    Mission Solar

    Mission Solar is based in San Antonio, Texas, where they design, engineer, and assemble all of their solar panels. They make panels for both small-scale (rooftop) and large-scale solar projects.

    Like other companies on this list, Mission Solar announced that they were ramping up production in 2018. However, their plans have been in the works since 2017 as a result of increased production, and are not a direct result of the trade case.

    Seraphim

    Seraphim Solar USA is a U.S. owned subsidiary of Seraphim Energy Group, which is based in China. Seraphim Solar USA manufactures all of its panels in the United States at its facility in Jackson, Mississippi.

    Silfab Solar

    In 2018, Silfab Solar acquired the U.S. panel manufacturer Itek Energy. Silfab Solar now produces modules in both Washington State and Toronto, Canada.

    You can read EnergySage's full Silfab Solar review for more information about the company's products.

    Solaria

    Solaria is based in Fremont, California, and manufactures its solar panels both in the United States and in South Korea. At the beginning of January 2018 (prior to the final tariff decision), Solaria announced that they had raised $23 million to expand manufacturing capabilities.

    You can read EnergySage's full Solaria review for more about the company's products.

    SolarTech Universal

    SolarTech Universal is a U.S.-owned solar panel company. It's the only solar panel manufacturer in Florida, and owns its manufacturing facility in Riviera Beach, Florida. The company expects the tariff to have a positive impact on its business in the short term, but also thinks that long-term costs will outweigh the benefits.

    SunSpark Technology

    SunSpark Technology is based in Riverside, California, and its parent company is based in China. SunSpark has a manufacturing facility in Riverside, but hasn't publicly commented on the tariff.

    Tesla/Panasonic

    Tesla Energy has partnered with Panasonic to manufacture solar panels in the United States at the Tesla Gigafactory 2 in Buffalo, New York. In early January 2018, the company confirmed that Panasonic has started manufacturing solar cells at the factory, both for the Tesla solar roof and for Panasonic solar panels.

    Panasonic manufactures most of its panels abroad, and so far, it isn't able to manufacture enough solar panels to meet all of Tesla Energy's needs. However, Panasonic and Tesla expect to increase production over the next year. Tesla stated its opposition to the tariff in summer 2017, and reiterated its commitment to U.S. manufacturing after the tariff was announced.

    You can read EnergySage's full Panasonic review for more on the company's solar panels.



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    Michael Mayhew
    President, Sr. Energy Engineer
    Heliotropic Technologies
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  • 6.  RE: Zoom Discussion - Update of Major Solar Incentive Programs

    Silver
    Contributor
    Posted 01-19-2023 04:01 PM
    One of the problems will be how the IRS defines "US Made".  Many of the solar panels that claim to be "Made in America" are really just assembled here.  Where is the silicon mined?  Where are the ingot made?  Where are the cells produced?  The answer to these three questions still largely remains - China. 

    So we will have to wait to see which panels are given the "seal of approval" for the domestically produced tax credit.  But I understand the only two at the moment are First Solar and Toledo Solar.

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    Jay Warmke
    Owner
    Blue Rock Station LLC
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  • 7.  RE: Zoom Discussion - Update of Major Solar Incentive Programs

    Posted 01-23-2023 09:50 AM
    Who manufacturers a solar panel is a complex question, and anything I say can be corrected by someone else, but here goes. The list of American solar manufacturers was first published in 2020 by Forbes magazine (it was incorrect then and is incorrect now, or perhaps some would say misleading). There are two categories of commercial solar cells: thin film and crystalline silicon. Thin film cells are les popular because they are typically more expensive, and China has dominated the crystalline silicon market (>95%)  and left the thin film market (<5%) for others. Thin film cells come in two flavors: amorphous silicon (a-Si) and cadmium telluride (CdTe). That is why the only true US solar  manufacturers of any significance are First Solar and Toledo Solar who both make a CdTe cell (Acknowledging Mr Warmke's comment to this effect). Any US manufacturer that uses a crystalline silicon cell is in the China supply line. 

    Lets look at a simplified version of the crystalline silicon panel manufacturing process:
    • Metallurgical grade silicon is purified to solar grade Polysilicon purity
    • Ultrapure Si ingots are produced
    • Thin wafers are cut from the ingots
    • The wafers are doped, etched, contact printed, and further processed to become a solar cell
    • Cells are mounted on a backsheet, with contacts, and encapsulated to produce a solar panel
    • Solar panels are mounted in a glass and aluminum frame, sealed, junction box added to produce a solar module (note sometimes solar panel and solar module terms are used interchangeably)

    What is manufactured in the US?  Hemlock Semiconductor in Michigan makes Polycrystalline silicon sufficient to satisfy about 20% of US demand for solar cells. Who in the US makes the wafers for silicon solar cells? Nobody. US industry is focused on making transister chips for electronics, not solar cells. That is why every crystalline silicon panel company on the list is not fully manufactured in the US.  China so dominates wafer production that it produces 94% of all the wafers used in the world for solar cells. Who makes crystalline solar cells? A few US and European companies make about 2% of the world's solar cells. The remaining 98% of the crystalline Si solar cells are made in Asia and China.  Another reason why the list of US solar manufacurers is so misleading. What the US "manufacturers" on the list really do is assemble and mount in an aluminum frame the panels/modules from components that were made overseas. China even dominates the panel components like backsheet, glass, EVA and junction box. 

    Solar advocates (me included) tend to feel superior when there are disruptions in the fossil fuel markets. But beware, we are not "energy independent" in solar either. China could cut off 90% of our supply of new solar cells overnight if it wanted to.

    For further reading, I suggest the IEA Special Report on Solar PV Global Supply Chains, recently updated in August 2022.

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    Thomas Grant
    Director
    XanaduEnergy
    Fairway KS
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  • 8.  RE: Zoom Discussion - Update of Major Solar Incentive Programs

    Silver
    Contributor
    Posted 01-19-2023 07:50 PM
    Regarding "free money", anything involving a tax credit, federal or state involves that you pay tax's in the first place. Non profits I believe don't. SO, from an business investment credit, I would think you would want to see if your most probable non-profit status allows you to gain from such programs. 
    My 2 cents...

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    william fitch
    Owner
    www.WeAreSolar.com
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  • 9.  RE: Zoom Discussion - Update of Major Solar Incentive Programs

    Silver
    Contributor
    Posted 01-21-2023 04:47 AM
    William -
    One of the provisions in the Inflation Reduction Act (again, as I understand it) is that non-profits can now participate in the incentives by receiving a rebate (rather than a credit) from the US government, as they do not pay taxes. 

    In the past, the tax credit was of little value for non profits.  This will be a huge incentive for churches, schools, rural electric coops, and the like.  In the past they would have to partner with "for profit" entities to reap the benefits of the solar tax incentives.
    Jay Warmke

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    Jay Warmke
    Owner
    Blue Rock Station LLC
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  • 10.  RE: Zoom Discussion - Update of Major Solar Incentive Programs

    Silver
    Contributor
    Posted 01-21-2023 07:33 AM
    Taking that as the case, yes, it is Ginormica! That same "catch 22" for the "res" level is people who have fixed incomes and pay no Fed tax, same boat. I wonder if non businesses entities can also take advantage of a rebate where the tax credit is also neutered..//..

    Thanks...BTW...

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    william fitch
    Owner
    www.WeAreSolar.com
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  • 11.  RE: Zoom Discussion - Update of Major Solar Incentive Programs

    Posted 01-21-2023 09:00 AM
    The broad comment on the IRA for non-profits is clear. The narrower point I was seeking is related to the 10% incentive if one installs satisfying the "Made in America" feature.

    There are clear incentive sub-sets for residential and for taxable businesses. I am looking to be clear what the sub-set is for non-profits like churches.

    I believe churches are willing investors in renewables with incentives like the IRA, and have been an untapped market.

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    Allen Wilkinson
    research scientist
    NASA Glenn Research Center, retired
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  • 12.  RE: Zoom Discussion - Update of Major Solar Incentive Programs

    Posted 01-23-2023 01:20 PM

    Jay and William:

    Yes, now non-profits are on an equal footing with for profit tax credits.  This is, in my opinion, the most significant and under reported aspect of the IRA, as now all non-profits can jump into renewable system ownership, especially with Muni's and Coop's, that can build "merchant plants" on a massive scale.  Take, for example, Austin, Sacramento, LA, Lansing Board of Water and Light, Cleveland, Universities, etc.  The Muni's and Coop's can take the lead and have RE under their own control for dispatching and harmonizing their grids. They will out compete their neighboring IOU's by a mile.  NO more PPA's needed for all these non-profits.  Need to get going, Muni's, Universities!!

     

    Cheers,

     

    Steve Smiley






  • 13.  RE: Zoom Discussion - Update of Major Solar Incentive Programs

    Posted 01-20-2023 05:28 AM
    Here are some 'Made in the USA solar PVs that Fortune Energy is marketing, and the list goes on. 

     

     

    -World Class Mono Efficiency

     

    -Minimize Micro-crack

     

    -Outstanding Temperature

    Coefficient

     

    -Certified for Salt/Ammonia

    Corrosion Resistance

     

    -Wind to 2400PA

    Snow to 5400 PA

     

    -Excellent Anti-PlD Performance

     

    -Improved Shading Tolerance

     

    -Lower LCOE

     

     

    Certified Reliability

    • Tested to UL 61730 & IEC Standards

    • PID resistant

    • Resistance to salt mist corrosion

     

    Advanced Technology

    • 9 Busbar

    • Passivated Emitter Rear Contact

    • Ideal for all applications

     

    Extreme Weather Resilience

    • Up to 5,400 Pa front load & 3,600 Pa back load

    • Tested load to UL 61730

    • 40 mm frame

     

    BAA Compliant for Government Projects

    • Buy American Act

    • American Recovery & Reinvestment Act

     

     

    -Meets NEC 2017 & 2020 (690.12) requirements

     

    -Executes rapid shutdown of system when Transmitter-PLC signal is absent

     

    -Meets SunSpec requirements

     

     

     



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    Michael Mayhew
    President, Sr. Energy Engineer
    Heliotropic Technologies
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